tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post2631168268160210419..comments2023-11-02T06:43:49.663-04:00Comments on Watergate Summer: LIVEBLOGGING THE DEBATE....THREAD NUMBER 2...(after we hit 100)enigma4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comBlogger148125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-56844586107843936062008-10-03T03:38:00.000-04:002008-10-03T03:38:00.000-04:00Fran::I just rewatched it ....groan..and everythin...Fran::<BR/>I just rewatched it ....groan..and everything you said is so true...Biden really did a good job, and he was very gracious...and he did dispute ALL of her lies...Gwen really let her slide- very dissappointing because the questions were good- she good have pressed..sigh..<BR/><BR/>Yeah, Biden did not wink, or blow kisses or anything...he was just himself....<BR/><BR/>( and the families came up- that was kind of awkward...and where was Bristol ? and the baby looked awful....do they drag him everywhere like luggage ? poor thing..)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-17587232851272914542008-10-03T02:47:00.000-04:002008-10-03T02:47:00.000-04:00A couple of things-- I think Palin would be like J...A couple of things-- I think Palin would be like JOHN! Let ME tell YOU how to run things, forcing him to call her the *c* word & tell her to STFU .<BR/>Sarah is not just going to sit back & let Daddy warbucks run the show. She's tasted the blood of power & she craves it.<BR/><BR/>Biden just came off as both experienced & genuine. He did not have to wink or dance around the questions & I loved the way he shredded through all the bs palin tried to serve up.<BR/>Especially the McCain;s no maverick & rattled off a long list of non maverick items.<BR/>Really good.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-63280088612142192302008-10-03T02:27:00.000-04:002008-10-03T02:27:00.000-04:00hey, g'nite from me, too. Please get some well-de...hey, g'nite from me, too. Please get some well-deserved rest! I gotta get some sleep to be able to handle my dad's big b-day tomorrow.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-14931444435218470242008-10-03T02:18:00.000-04:002008-10-03T02:18:00.000-04:00Ahhh Helen...you hit alot of good points...at this...Ahhh Helen...you hit alot of good points...at this point though she is the Stepford Candidate....spouting the points that have been crammed in her head...<BR/><BR/>there are NO thinking skills in there...<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think she might be Dick in heals and lipstick....yup...<BR/><BR/>Renegade...<BR/>yup...Rove's magic is running through her...kind of disgusting...really disgusting....but good to see you....my brain is tapped out it is 2am...sorry...<BR/>if you all want to hang out- it is great thread- actually both of them are....<BR/><BR/>gnite all....<BR/>you are the best...real thinkers...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-60935595906684427452008-10-03T02:03:00.000-04:002008-10-03T02:03:00.000-04:00DK: SPOT ON.And: Whenever any professional goes in...DK: SPOT ON.<BR/><BR/>And: Whenever any professional goes into an interview, he/she is asked what their achille's heel is. Or one area they think they either aren't good or could improve. Of course, Palin cannot admit any faults whatsoever, an A-ONE sign of a "true believer." She also couldn't answer a similar question about weakness early on.<BR/><BR/>Biden answered them exactly as a professional would: Something that could be detrimental but also unique about yourself (in his case, too passionate). Another Palin FAIL. A CEO would have said she failed the interview.<BR/><BR/>She shows herself as infallible and inhuman, frankly. Both questions from Ifill that asked what she could improve upon in herself really ended up with the VERY defensive Palin claiming she has no faults --- AND addinig another 60 seconds of bragging. Holy CRAP.<BR/><BR/>While watching, I was shaking my head and most of us were marvelling at how she comes off as totally insane.<BR/><BR/>I think she's the shrub in heels & lipstick. No... wait, I think she's worse. Because he only pretends to be a bible humper and she is. <BR/><BR/>Where the shrub could, on occasion, admit he's a doofus, she never will. Where the shrub's intellectual curiosity was low, hers is nonexistent. That is fucking terrifying.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad she let us see it and I'll be pointing that out for the next 33 days.HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-87459473056645111932008-10-03T01:59:00.000-04:002008-10-03T01:59:00.000-04:00I doubt one vote changed tonight on either side. ...I doubt one vote changed tonight on either side. <BR/><BR/>Rove was far from a genius. His only strength, was Dems not willing to fight.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-16851908154821837932008-10-03T01:51:00.000-04:002008-10-03T01:51:00.000-04:00This was a great comment thread, E. I loved readi...This was a great comment thread, E. I loved reading through it & nodding my head. <BR/><BR/>Yeah, Palin doesn't blame man's actions ON global warming?!? Now you'd think that was just a misspeak, except she said the exact same thing the other day!<BR/><BR/>Like Helen, I was impressed w/Biden. When you think about it, wouldn't you much rather have the young guy with the new ideas at the top of the ticket, and the experienced guy behind him to give him good solid non-yes-man advice? With McC, you've got a tired old coot with no new ideas at the top, and a rah-rah cheerleader screaming "you go, daddy" at his back.<BR/><BR/>Hey, maybe if she had been forced to answer, sarah would've had to say SHE was her own Achilles Heel?D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-46547671306305415532008-10-03T01:46:00.000-04:002008-10-03T01:46:00.000-04:00I get angry that people buy the whole "oh she...I get angry that people buy the whole "oh she did well so she won" bullshit immediately out the gate. Even Gryphen is giving her way more than she deserves!<BR/><BR/>Holy shit, she FAILED miserably. It's already coming out in the presses.<BR/><BR/>I did go in w/out fear... watching objectively, and was pleasantly surprised at Joe Biden's ability to tear down every fucking stupid argument Palin made.<BR/><BR/>Here's what Palin reminded me of: Hitler youth, or alternatively one of those uber-annoying marketing people who can't shut the fuck up trying to sell you something.<BR/><BR/>All she did was spew propaganda, the whole debate was like her own infomercial. She even made it evident she wants to be as powerful as McSame in office. That woman is a fucking monster. <BR/><BR/>I am surprised anyone or everyone didn't see that. How much more obvious does she have to get? She practically did a National heil sign & start goose-stepping with her patriotic fervor.<BR/><BR/>I was fucking laughing at her, my co-partiers were more horrified.<BR/><BR/>Nope. She did her ticket no favors tonight. Wait 'n' see. <BR/><BR/>She had about 5 run-on answers that are just as vapid as the ones she gave Couric, but in this venue, it was overlooked at the time. Wait'll they come out in video. And Biden trashed just about all of her "facts!" Why isn't that being focused on! Holy crap! She lied & he succesfully called her on it!<BR/><BR/>GAWD I can't wait to blog this tomorrow.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Enigma, DK And everyone else!!'HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-54620437460795877092008-10-03T01:36:00.000-04:002008-10-03T01:36:00.000-04:00Helen::::so good to hear from you...wow...excellen...Helen::::<BR/>so good to hear from you...wow...excellent that you thought Biden did so well- alot of folks here thought so too...I was so pissed that she said that right out said she was not going to answer questions..????that was pretty damn rude and so she didn't.....I definently want to read the transcripts...we missed you- you know that....but phew - glad it is over...<BR/><BR/>DK:::<BR/>I know pretty amazing....and yeah we need to ask her WHAT an Achilles Heal is ...for sure...and NOT a single question answered about the economy....and all she did was spit out the Bumper Sticker talking points...unreal....good thing she could bring her little cheat sheets....I am so glad that you too saw the Square thing on her back..I HOPE someone got photos of it- Just like Bush.....and she does NOT Know WHAT is responsible for Global warming????<BR/>omg...and yeah SHE would want MORE VP power....unreal...and oh, we are not allowed to say that Bush fucked up? or did wrong? are you kidding sarah???we can NOT let her get anywhere Near the Oval Office...thanks for coming by....we are alway glad to see you...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-45201812186736059402008-10-03T01:25:00.000-04:002008-10-03T01:25:00.000-04:00D.K. YOU are always so amazingly correct, woman! I...D.K. YOU are always so amazingly correct, woman! I was paying so much attention to the obvious effrontery Palin showed by not following the rules (does she not get that "maverick" moves have their place?) that it took me 'til now to realize GWEN did NOT do her job, she was stuttering, not sure what to do, much of the time. <BR/><BR/>I thought she was supposed to be a better debate monitor; however now it's coming back to me that I may have gotten pissed at her in the past... did she do Kerry debates? <BR/><BR/>In any case, BIden rocked. I didn't expect that. The dude knows his shit!!!<BR/><BR/>Palin sounded like a Hitler's Youth reciting the devotion to her KKKOuntry and ridiculing Joe Biden's service to the country, and misrepresenting McCain's. Pretyt galling.<BR/><BR/>I love the immediate reaction that she held her own. That ain't gonna fly once it's broken down.<BR/><BR/>Like I said: MAJOR FAIL.<BR/><BR/>I can't wait to post on the transcript, as she did at least 2 of those rambling, 100-word answers to shit she didn't understand.<BR/><BR/>Does the highschool clique attitude actually work on people anymore? That's who she was. She sounded like the top cheerleader in highschool putting down the smart guy. WTF!HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-66189330025790008182008-10-03T01:18:00.000-04:002008-10-03T01:18:00.000-04:00Helen, I was waiting for Biden to say "move t...Helen, I was waiting for Biden to say "move to forfeit" (ok, it's been a long time, but I think this is what you say in high school debates when the other side refuses to stay on the debate topic -- then the moderator is supposed to ask the other side (Palin) if they "agree to forfeit" -- if they do, the debate is over & the side that "moved to forfeit" is declared "winner by forfeit" -- if the other side doesn't agree to forfeit, they are on notice to stay on topic -- or something like that)! Anyway, the point is Palin was allowed to wander off ranting about whatever topic she chose, to hell with the the questions. <BR/><BR/>Well, so I guess that's why these things are not really debates, and Gwen is not really a moderator. If anybody "lost", it was Gwen. A moderator has 3 tasks: to ask penetrating questions, to keep the candidates on track toward an answer (or at the very least make the candidate state that they don't have an answer to her question), and to ensure that the pre-agreed upon debate rules are followed. <BR/><BR/>Looks like this did not go unnoticed by the after-debate cable news panels. David Gergen on CNN was aghast.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-25386617492250928362008-10-03T00:41:00.000-04:002008-10-03T00:41:00.000-04:00OK I just got home - well, 1/2 hour ago, had to wa...OK I just got home - well, 1/2 hour ago, had to walk doggies and read thru the thread. I am happy that your reactions so mirrored mine.<BR/><BR/>They are trying to say she "won" something by not crashing and burning. But she did, in my opinion. She out and out refused to answer questions. She made a huge blunder about Vice Presidential power ( supporting Cheney?? WTF?) and she came off as an annoying marketing person. I was fascinated. A woman watching with me was so paranoid! She said she was afraid she did well! <BR/><BR/>I am so not even worried (and Enigma knows, I worry at every thing). She fucking blew it. She sucks. She disrespected Gwen Ifill by just refusing the debate format, and then she lied and lied and lied, and she agreed with the bush administration, and she came off as a rude, snarky idiot, and like Tweey (of all folks) just said, she sounded like she was in a spelling bee. <BR/><BR/>Biden answered every question in detail. Biden was amazing I think; he countered all her lies as well. And Palin just used all her turns to do infomercials for herself. Methinks someone spends too much time on the home shopping network. Who the fuck does she think she is? Obviously, her handlers are teaching her how to sell her "brand". I don't think it came off well.<BR/><BR/>I am so relieved. I know we all thought she would suck as bad as with the Couric interview. I argue that it WAS that bad -- when we break it down, there are just as many 100-word runon sentences full of bullshit that made me smack my head and when the transcripts come out, you'll see how imbecillic her answers were.<BR/><BR/>What a moron. I'm so relieved. Obama has not a thing to worry about.<BR/><BR/>AND I am so impressed with BIDEN!! Holy shit, I didn't expect him to be so incredible.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the wonderful thread!!! GOOD job, youse guys!! Sorry I missed it :)HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-18970363345523236712008-10-03T00:20:00.000-04:002008-10-03T00:20:00.000-04:00Hey, I also caught (you know I was looking) that l...Hey, I also caught (you know I was looking) that little rectangular square on her back. There was a tubular shape leading from it up to her neck. It was on her right latismus & only showed on backshots from her left. Well whaddayaknow, shades of robo-bush!<BR/><BR/>And yah, immediately after the debate, I wanted some reporter to grab her & ask her to define "Achilles Heel" ... just to hear her say, "in what respect?" ... I don't think she had a clue, hence all the BS about John McCain & Education (puh-leeze)!D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-21165533141232965062008-10-03T00:12:00.000-04:002008-10-03T00:12:00.000-04:00sorry, late as usual ... I DVR'd & just wa...sorry, late as usual ... I DVR'd & just watched it.<BR/><BR/>I'm speechless! The woman seemed to have NO idea that questions are posed and usually an answer is at least attempted. Not sarah, she used the whole 90-minutes to go down a list (did you catch her checking them off?) of prepared statements that had little to do with any question asked.<BR/><BR/>I'm pissed w/Gwen for not calling her out on this when she said she doesn't think she has to answer. Gee, she and Cheney really do have a lot in common, don't they. <BR/><BR/>OK, I will go back & read the other comments now.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-88060825902898821322008-10-02T23:35:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:35:00.000-04:00oh hairball you are soooooo funny....I am just gla...oh hairball you are soooooo funny....I am just glad it was over..<BR/><BR/>there was some stuff that really did not make sense- will the MSM catch it ? will the People catch it ????I hope so....<BR/><BR/>Thanks for coming to night and helping us laugh through the insanity...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-86243981441100091172008-10-02T23:33:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:33:00.000-04:00Hey Maui:::wonderful to see you...I hope that ever...Hey Maui:::<BR/>wonderful to see you...I hope that everyone saw how badly she dodged every single question...yeah the polls will be interesting....<BR/><BR/>( Yeah, I thought Biden did a great job...)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-6238112669393537382008-10-02T23:32:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:32:00.000-04:00I must admit that she did better than I expected. ...I must admit that she did better than I expected. My expectations were very low though. I did get two bingos on my card in the shape of a backwards 7! * big grin*<BR/><BR/>I was watching on my 15 inch computer monitor and a 5 inch TV (long story!), so would those of you with big TVs who saw a bulge on her back please elaborate? <BR/><BR/>She something about wanting to do more debates with Biden, please, please, please???<BR/><BR/>Oh, did you guys know that John McCain is a Maverick and that Alaska is an energy producing state?? I feel so cheated that important things like that have been kept from me during election season. *sob*Hairball T. Hairballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07406688058887590058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-13474448591041295112008-10-02T23:17:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:17:00.000-04:00Thanks Enigma, I just skimmed through all the grea...Thanks Enigma, I just skimmed through all the great comments. We just got back from our debate-watching party (99% Democrats so it was good). I think Biden did a great job. I'm hoping Palin's dodging of the questions will play against her. It will be interesting to see how the polls look!Mauigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529827915262851910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-54772916290255110122008-10-02T23:12:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:12:00.000-04:00you are more than welcome...as always ;-)( if any ...you are more than welcome...as always ;-)<BR/><BR/>( if any of us come out with our sanity - we are so lucky....)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-12750844665161240662008-10-02T23:09:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:09:00.000-04:00Once again, Enigma, mys sanity thanks you. More p...Once again, Enigma, mys sanity thanks you. More power to you.X. Dellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17561609651507566271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-64347778642433269402008-10-02T23:05:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:05:00.000-04:00oooooops Goodnite Fran...thank you many hugs ...wh...oooooops Goodnite Fran...thank you many hugs ...what would a debate night be without you....?????<BR/><BR/>( she did not answer a SINGLE question...)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-88429448246149455032008-10-02T23:04:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:04:00.000-04:00Gnite Dcap...Gryphen....and Beach Bum...Xdell...yo...Gnite Dcap...Gryphen....and Beach Bum...Xdell...<BR/>you are all the best- smart and funny and sharp,,,,<BR/><BR/>phew....glad it is over..<BR/><BR/>she is nauseating ...I am sick of lies....((Joe 6 Pack and Hockey moms ???? in a VP speech???omg...)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-5007383536050938002008-10-02T22:49:00.000-04:002008-10-02T22:49:00.000-04:00Goodnite Kelly, Maria, Troy, and Jackie...gryphen....Goodnite Kelly, Maria, Troy, and Jackie...<BR/><BR/><BR/>gryphen...Hmm, a glass of Something would be soooo nice....<BR/><BR/>Fran....yeah...she did not answer a single question - the strangest thing- we are SMARTER THAN THAT...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-36876171373401582532008-10-02T22:47:00.001-04:002008-10-02T22:47:00.001-04:00Thanks Enigma!! Just great of you to do this.Thanks Enigma!! Just great of you to do this.Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14277439710379409476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-7827612301017456422008-10-02T22:47:00.000-04:002008-10-02T22:47:00.000-04:00THE POST DEBATE FEEDBACK IS JUST THAT-- PALIN FAIL...THE POST DEBATE FEEDBACK IS JUST THAT-- PALIN FAILED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.<BR/><BR/>CBS DREDGED UP LIEBERMAN- WHO SAID PALIN WAS "REFRESHING" COUGH GAAAG WAHAWWWWW HACK GAAAAG.<BR/><BR/>GO BACK TO YOUR CRYPT NOW LIEBERMAN, YOU OLD COOT. <BR/><BR/>THE VIEWER VOTERS TOOK A HUGE DIVE WHEN PALIN<BR/>STARTED I ON THE "THE SURGE WORKED" , LINE OF DELUSION.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.com