tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post3806502884478678737..comments2023-11-02T06:43:49.663-04:00Comments on Watergate Summer: THE DAY AFTER: MYSTERIES IN NEW HAMPSHIREenigma4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-41302309974661077902008-01-11T10:34:00.000-05:002008-01-11T10:34:00.000-05:00They were suposedly stripped for moving their date...They were suposedly stripped for moving their dates up ? But I really don't understand. ( a saturday caucus is interesting, and might bring more people, I guess)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-88198271280678828532008-01-11T05:34:00.000-05:002008-01-11T05:34:00.000-05:00oops, correction: SC Dem primary is 1/26, which i...oops, correction: SC Dem primary is 1/26, which is also a SATURDAY. The SC Repub primary is a week earlier 1/19 (same day as NV caucus). Sorry for confusion! But I STILL want to know why MI & FL dem delegates have been stripped.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-52655820602196195742008-01-11T04:48:00.000-05:002008-01-11T04:48:00.000-05:00quick note: NV caucus is Saturday 1/19. SC Repub...quick note: NV caucus is Saturday 1/19. SC Repub primary is also Sat 1/19. SC Dem primary is Sun 1/20. I gotta say, Sunday is a bad day for voting in a very religious state, so I'm already wondering about the Dem turnout.<BR/><BR/>And here's something strange: NYT reports the DNC has denied ALL delegates for both Michigan and Florida because they were ORDERED not to jump up their primary dates & they did not comply. They are showing ZERO delegates assigned to MI & FL to be counted at the convention. I'll email you the story.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-76543651895812855572008-01-11T02:27:00.000-05:002008-01-11T02:27:00.000-05:00okay I am testing this post as well..okay I am testing this post as well..enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-33339730278872946942008-01-10T21:11:00.000-05:002008-01-10T21:11:00.000-05:00Larry: I would love to see how he is going to do i...Larry: I would love to see how he is going to do in SC and also Michigan...( I am confused- I heard today that the Repugs are having their primary there soon....don't DEMS too ? )enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-78515348736022755942008-01-10T21:09:00.000-05:002008-01-10T21:09:00.000-05:00Thomas:Well, we differ about whether she was showi...Thomas:<BR/>Well, we differ about whether she was showing sincerity....read the post below...I just want them to talk issues....and I am sorry, I am still mad at her about the MLK/Lynden Johnson comment...I don't want to see the process to deginerate into namecalling, and slashes...I want to see it focused on ISSUES...I for one have never said or thought negatively of her until this election...<BR/><BR/>About Chris...yuck..and his conspiracy stuff....I did ask about the Diebold issue ( well, frankly because I live somewhere that has Diebold scanners- so I want to know....)I really don't get Chris , one day he is all syrupy and sweet and the next he is awful...I don't understand what the heck.....As to the polls- I think DK is right, I think the Independents were a large number and too unpredictable a group....and hence - that is why I think sadly Bloomberg is now eye-ing them.....urgh...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-88712857413582751272008-01-10T20:23:00.000-05:002008-01-10T20:23:00.000-05:00Chris Matthews is as slimy a talking head as there...Chris Matthews is as slimy a talking head as there is..<BR/>Olberman told us it was the undecided, so hold your horses on the conspiracy stuff<BR/>Hillary is not the enemy<BR/>it's the OTHER People with (R) next to their names<BR/>I don't think the show of emotion was fake, She has been pilloried for 20 years from the left, right and center, I think her emotion was real, and NO I don't think she killed Vince Foster or that she and Bill smuggled drugs from Mena Airport..........<BR/>I'm just sayin!tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12900119600864490344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-59717613415350595462008-01-10T18:05:00.000-05:002008-01-10T18:05:00.000-05:00I would think if Edwards were to break out of the ...I would think if Edwards were to break out of the pack it would be in blue collar Michigan.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283557503536810926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-25501497299592621442008-01-10T16:49:00.000-05:002008-01-10T16:49:00.000-05:00Renegade :also , about Economics, please do read m...Renegade :<BR/><BR/>also , about Economics, please do read my post below, about her Fundraising and lack of money and sponsers....her campaign spent 75 Million dollars JUST IN IOWA....that is too much...and there needs to be some questions asked about it...<BR/><BR/>After having Bush and his spendthrift ways I am really budget oriented...and Accountability is a big deal.enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-18100908442307803152008-01-10T16:19:00.000-05:002008-01-10T16:19:00.000-05:00Dear Renegade,I have thoroughly compared the candi...Dear Renegade,<BR/>I have thoroughly compared the candidates- esp Hillary vs Obama on Healthcare and Iraq, I have looked at other issues from dipomacy to education to economics, I don't agree with Obama on everything- but the main issues- Iraq and Healthcare ( which are also the two largest effecting our economy) Their policies are different.....I read your piece- I will have to look and see about the team that is listed there- I am not familiar with them and also had not heard their names before...so I will have to do research...<BR/><BR/>Another lesser issue is the Patriot Act and the Justice System, and how americans have been spied on....this issue has been poorly addressed by Hillary, but Edwards and Obama have both addressed that it will be resinded and changes will be made to bring back our system of justice- this is an issue Hillary won't even discuss and would not even answer questions on in Illinois..matter of fact she did not really answer any/many questions on it in Illinois.....<BR/><BR/>I think the Clintons will now use the Economic issue as a wedge and also to fearmonger- it is horrendous that they would do that...but they already are...<BR/><BR/>It is wrong to not discuss or solve the Economics without talking Healthcare....47% o ALL Bankruptcy is healthcare related...<BR/><BR/>Bottem Line we need Some really good Debates that are ISSUE focused about all of these issues....<BR/>so we can really learn about what these candidate plan and how strong they are on their policies...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-35235537871224874142008-01-10T14:36:00.000-05:002008-01-10T14:36:00.000-05:00The Diebold Machines this time have a paper trail....The Diebold Machines this time have a paper trail. There is no controversy about machines in NH.<BR/><BR/>I posted about Obama. I think you should see it. I don't think he's who you think he's.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-70373361719978748372008-01-10T12:03:00.000-05:002008-01-10T12:03:00.000-05:00AZ: Thanks...good to see you, many hugs to you to...AZ:<BR/> Thanks...good to see you, many hugs to you too...<BR/><BR/>Larry:<BR/>I have no idea what Chris Matthews meant- to be honest- he has been making less and less sense these past few weeks..one minute he is rooting for Hillary and then he is bashing her...and then he is praising her .....he really is annoying,....<BR/><BR/>NO:<BR/><BR/>Please Read the post below , "Tears of OUR People", I did not namecall, I stated the truth...It is about WHAT she "cried" about that I have problems with....and she touts her experience- but her experience adds up to being Bill's Wife and being his First lady in DC and arkansas. and frankly no I don't respect her, she used an Emotional Ploy, and she attacked Obama and Hope ( so did Bill), and in the Debates she was shrill, None of this is respectable or Presidential, Don't get me wrong, I really wanted to able to atleast respect the First real woman candidate. But I don't and respect her. <BR/><BR/>More Importantly she is distracting from the issues at an important time. And her "solutions " on the Issues are what need real scrutiny, especially Iraq and her healthplan, they are not strong enough, and acutally very republicanish....her healhtplan is almost identical to Rudy.<BR/><BR/>Also if the Media would be smart they would look at her MONEY- please scroll down and read the post about her funds- she only has 10 million to go forward with her campaign- she used over 75 million in one state, that is too much. I want a President that will be careful with our money.<BR/><BR/>I want a president that I can be proud of and that does not attack other candidates....and does not attack Hope or that we all have the right to dream and have hope...she is attacking the Candidate of Change...it reeks of elitism, that all of us that are suffering aren't allowed to Hope.....<BR/><BR/>yet in 1992 she and Bill ran on the HOPE platform...<BR/><BR/>Very sad.enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-89265405250412415772008-01-10T10:09:00.000-05:002008-01-10T10:09:00.000-05:00hey lady - back for a short and sweet comment - lo...hey lady - back for a short and sweet comment - love what you had to say - vote your conscious...hugs!!!azgoddesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190285114417409204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-75022107627141811192008-01-10T09:17:00.000-05:002008-01-10T09:17:00.000-05:00Chris Matthews made a comment that if the election...Chris Matthews made a comment that if the election results in future states end up like New Hampshire, then someone needs to investigate the voting methods as they may be tampered with.<BR/><BR/>Sounds logical and like a neocon Clinton to me.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283557503536810926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-51287725570467518242008-01-10T07:09:00.000-05:002008-01-10T07:09:00.000-05:00Labels like this: "Manipulative Ploys by a Despera...Labels like this: "Manipulative Ploys by a Desperate Housewife" is one of the reasons Hillary won the New Hampshire primrary...people don't like name calling....<BR/><BR/>I have to agree that I thought the crying was a ploy, but she does what she has to do with all of this name calling; people have criticized her relentlessly, myself included, but she keeps coming back and she doesn't back down...gotta respect that.Nohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09929187212992920070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-2689391266959151702008-01-10T01:36:00.000-05:002008-01-10T01:36:00.000-05:00Mike:Thanks....I think that NH was a learning spot...Mike:<BR/>Thanks....I think that NH was a learning spot for sure...the demographics and also it was a different kind of state...<BR/><BR/>The real lesson, that there is for sure a battle and only hte american people will decide WHO to have....NOT the MEdia or the Pundits and talking heads...<BR/><BR/>hmmm, so there really arent 3 dollar bills ???darn...<BR/><BR/>but for sure we saw the Clintons...and it was not pretty...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-5510660782124822752008-01-10T01:29:00.000-05:002008-01-10T01:29:00.000-05:00Enigma, i dont think the crying OR the slimy attac...Enigma, i dont think the crying OR the slimy attacks won over any votors, i think they lost far more than they won.............the REASON I think Hillary won New Hampshire are <BR/><BR/>1) the demographics were far more favorable to her<BR/><BR/>2) she focused MORE on the number one issued to votors....the economy.<BR/><BR/>As for the crying that was as phony as a $3 bill, consider this when thinking how genuine it was<BR/><BR/>1) she said it right after claiming how tough and experienced she is<BR/><BR/>2) she played the smear and fear terrorist card like a slimy desperate repug like Bush. Rove or Rudy would............i'm sorry if it looked genuine that is one thing but that was the poorest most insincere acting job i've ever seen.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08956882396669105125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-7578090949418124582008-01-09T22:16:00.000-05:002008-01-09T22:16:00.000-05:00Larry: Thanks I am watching Keith for the second t...Larry: <BR/>Thanks I am watching Keith for the second time, and I just saw that too....hmm..So DK is right the Undecided was too much of a pig to wrestle to the ground...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-1263026152236515912008-01-09T21:35:00.000-05:002008-01-09T21:35:00.000-05:00Keith Olbermann had a breakdown of the vote and th...Keith Olbermann had a breakdown of the vote and the various polls and the way he explained it, the pollsters really weren't wrong, because all the different polls had as much as 38% listed as undecided before the vote.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283557503536810926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-89863276637486624422008-01-09T20:49:00.000-05:002008-01-09T20:49:00.000-05:00Anok: I have 3 rules about Voting(1) Vote your con...Anok: I have 3 rules about Voting<BR/>(1) Vote your conscience<BR/>(2) VOTE everytime..because it does count everytime...<BR/>(3) Vote like your life depends on it....<BR/><BR/>Tthank you for saying that you will Vote for him....I think he is indeed the Real Deal...and I have read his books...THAT is what really got me...that and I listened to my son and I heard what he said ( read the post below of the Jan 7th.....and that he said that this is THEIR Sixties...I think he is right)<BR/><BR/>Thanks Anok...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-17851439197899666012008-01-09T20:45:00.000-05:002008-01-09T20:45:00.000-05:00CLIF:Thank you for your well thought out response....CLIF:<BR/>Thank you for your well thought out response......I think to be honest alot of what you said is so true, the MSM is not good at perdicting or assessing scientific or math data....or remembering history...and you are right that indeed it is an art to interrept data and analyze it properly and it has to be done so that the Big Picture is appreciated...<BR/><BR/>and you are right over 500,000 people showing up??? unheard of...and it does show that people care...and want Change....<BR/><BR/>So in the History Books we can put that Bush is reponsible for the largest Turnout in our History...<BR/>at Primaries...( I wonder if that fits the Occams Razor...)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-91625086288636221622008-01-09T20:41:00.000-05:002008-01-09T20:41:00.000-05:00The one hope that I am holding out for in Obama, i...The one hope that I am holding out for in Obama, is that he is still fresh enough in the game of politics that he will not succumb to corruption. <BR/><BR/>Because really, for me, thats about what it has come down to. <BR/><BR/>In the meantime - as a registered republican (hehehehehe) I will be voting for the candidate all the neo-cons want the least. And I will be pushing everyone else I know who have registered republican for that reason to do the same thing. <BR/><BR/>Its dirty, but hell - if they can cheat, so can we! Well, its not really cheating actually. I'm not switching my affiliation over to democratic after the election, or even during the primaries. Once Obama is chosen for the democratic candidate - then I can vote my conscience. <BR/><BR/>:) It's still a little underhanded though LOL.Anokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675278947623136467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-77045159677187964782008-01-09T20:31:00.000-05:002008-01-09T20:31:00.000-05:00I don't see as big a deal as the MSM is making thi...I don't see as big a deal as the MSM is making this out to be.<BR/><BR/>But was the MSM and their paid pollsters who got it wrong, and maybe JUST maybe it was because they asked the wrong people the wrong questions.<BR/><BR/>If the pollsters for what ever reason were asking the same number of young and old; men and women, questions, and a larger percentage of older women were voting (compared to their demographic population) the poll would be skewed because a smaller sample of a certain voter which went for Hillery was questioned.<BR/><BR/>If pollsters thought the pre-election polls were right and used that as a guide for exit polling that would skew the poll results, but not the election itself.<BR/><BR/>Remember in 1948 pollsters used a flawed methodology for picking the Victory in the presidential election. Harry Truman didn't mind.<BR/><BR/>There could very well be a lot of truth to people including older (over 40) women, which went by a significant majority to Hillery, getting fed up with the MSM anti women attacks on Hillery, and decide to vote for her because of it.<BR/><BR/>There could be truth the pre exit polls asked too limited a cross section of the electorate the right questions. Far too many polls change all the time to claim polls are right as much as people are claiming now about this primary election.<BR/><BR/>Remember nobody thought over 500,000 people would show up to the polls, especially the NH state election system, which had to RUSH extra ballots to polling places, because they didn't have enough for all the voters who showed up to vote, I bet EVERY pollster got the turn out numbers wrong as well, but that is not a "sexy story" for the MSM to run with.<BR/><BR/>I still think it was more the pollsters were wrong which they are quite a bit of the time, which is why they admit even though they wanna claim it is a science, in the end like all "soft sciences" there is a hell of a lot of ART to it.<BR/>it is trying to measure and explain a portion of human behavior, which is one of the oldest mystical arts known to man.<BR/><BR/>This could explain the results, and fits the <A HREF="" REL="nofollow">Occam's razor </A>, which I try to use when looking for explanations for amorphous questions with numerous variables.clifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01789324243613548212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-41272970730391925952008-01-09T18:39:00.000-05:002008-01-09T18:39:00.000-05:00Gryphen: Wow...that was so well said, I had to eve...Gryphen: <BR/>Wow...that was so well said, I had to even comment back....But it does come down to Daring to Dream....and No One can take THAT from us...It is OUR time...finally...<BR/><BR/>namaste...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-87993162237783387922008-01-09T17:50:00.000-05:002008-01-09T17:50:00.000-05:00Your point about Hillary and Bill disrespecting Ma...Your point about Hillary and Bill disrespecting Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy is dead on.<BR/><BR/>hey you can kick us and call us naive but when you start shit with our memories of those too icons you have fight on your hands.<BR/><BR/>And Hillary's point about MLK only having the WORDS and requiring President Johnson's ACTIONS to make a real change in racism in this country completely misses the damn point.<BR/><BR/>Johnson would NEVER have done anything about inequality in this country if he did not feel boxed in by public opinion shaped by Martin Luther King's WORDS!<BR/><BR/>You don't give the credit for a beautiful building to the carpenter, you give it to the architect. And MLK was the architect of the Civil Rights Act.<BR/><BR/>Hillary knows better then this, she does not think that we know better. And that is how little she thinks of those of us who dare to dream.Gryphenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.com