tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post39314447002173062..comments2023-11-02T06:43:49.663-04:00Comments on Watergate Summer: 12 Noon Monday The Bailout Battle Continues:First Vote planned at 1 PMenigma4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-8418019673606254492008-09-30T05:30:00.000-04:002008-09-30T05:30:00.000-04:00thanks Fran...yeah I hope I don't need it ...About...thanks Fran...<BR/>yeah I hope I don't need it ...<BR/><BR/>About Bush ya know I just don't know...I mean how could he have NOT known ?? I think he was hoping it would not crash until he was out the door...he looks pissed off at these press conferences the past week....but not surprized...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-34441056347892649602008-09-30T02:20:00.000-04:002008-09-30T02:20:00.000-04:00This is classic Bush stuff- wait until something i...This is classic Bush stuff- wait until something is in full crisis/catastrophe mode before starting to think about doing something.<BR/><BR/>Come on someone in the higher level of the Bush Cabinet had to have told him what was going on.....<BR/><BR/>was he just hoping it would all hold together until after the election?<BR/><BR/>Figures he'd just walk off & leave the country in ruins.... while wearing a fricking flag lapel pin- no less.<BR/><BR/>It is smart of you to kind of start putting things together, maybe it will be Murphy's law, if you have it together, you won't need it.<BR/><BR/>Let's hope.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-36119043071174137042008-09-30T00:20:00.000-04:002008-09-30T00:20:00.000-04:00thanks Fran for saying that...I really appreciate ...thanks Fran for saying that...I really appreciate that...I actually had not thought of that....yet...I did go get phone numbers of other places to live and boxes today...I think I have to be practical...I mean he did talk to me and tell me things are not good...I am just hoping that things got sorted out..<BR/><BR/>but you just don't know...not in these times...I live so frugally I can not believe I would go through this again...<BR/><BR/>on another level I just think that it is easier to just tell it like it is...even if it is close to home...I am trying to be calm about it...<BR/><BR/>Helen:::<BR/>thanks ...you all are the best...It is good to just know you are out there...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-34485690219413897232008-09-30T00:07:00.000-04:002008-09-30T00:07:00.000-04:00I second that, Fran! And thanks for your input. Th...I second that, Fran! And thanks for your input. This dilemma makes my head spin! CRAZY!HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-88323494358076871842008-09-30T00:01:00.000-04:002008-09-30T00:01:00.000-04:00E~ I am sorry to hear this latest situation is hit...E~ I am sorry to hear this latest situation is hitting too close to home & having that fear.<BR/>You are not just watching this historic nightmare, you are feeling like you are on the front lines of it.<BR/>I hope all works out well. <BR/>I hope you don't have to move until you are ready to move- your choice.<BR/><BR/>I hope we don't have to start up an Enigma Bailout emergency moving fund.(Don't doubt that your cyber pals just might do that, if need be.)<BR/><BR/>One day at a time.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-6553888939047351982008-09-29T23:51:00.000-04:002008-09-29T23:51:00.000-04:00Helen wrote: ll I'm seeing in the press is how...Helen wrote: ll I'm seeing in the press is how BAD the bailout is, that Paulson pulled the 700 billion number out of his ass, and that if it gets voted in, it will be the final payout to the shrubco & its cronies, and the final looting of our country.<BR/><BR/>Oh my! I wish this would be the final payout, but I fear we are just going to keep paying & paying.<BR/>If it is the last payout to the shrub... it is only be default because his term will be over in Jan.(112 days to be exact!).<BR/><BR/>I would like to see Paulson fired- him & his total immunity offer?<BR/><BR/>I do feel like this is some kind of Maffia scene-- him making us offers we can;t refuse.<BR/><BR/>I favor a panel of Economic poobahs non politicians from all spectrums of the political realms, to come together put a well thought out plan that is not wrought with loopholes and language that can be tweaked by Wall Street Sharks.<BR/><BR/>Obviously something must be done, but what how needs to be put together thoughtfully, not in a halfbaked congressional playground tussle.<BR/><BR/>Sorry but Congress has not been awardwinning keepers of the purse either, so I'm not feeling comfortable with them being "the deciders" either.<BR/>Get some people in there who know what they are talking about, and are not politically posturing, but have extensive knowledge on economics & some kind of proven track record.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-57267028197143320882008-09-29T20:22:00.000-04:002008-09-29T20:22:00.000-04:00Helen::you are not an idiot...how many of us studi...Helen::<BR/>you are not an idiot...how many of us studied the Depression? ( other than Paulson...oye)<BR/><BR/>Hairball::<BR/>thanks friend,...I did indeed post the McCain Palin Couric Interview...ouch....hehe....good finds...I don't know if I can bear to post her parents....urghhhh...<BR/><BR/>DK:::<BR/>you are just about Brilliant..you should know that - because you explain things in ENGLISH...I am so grateful..it makes sense I find myself sitting here nodding ....thank you....<BR/>( and yeah...Jumping ship on Nixon...so true...)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-33700216882963088692008-09-29T19:34:00.000-04:002008-09-29T19:34:00.000-04:00Oh thanks now it makes more sense to me. Enigma ca...Oh thanks now it makes more sense to me. Enigma can tell you, I"m a self-professed economic idiot. It's not pretty, but it's true.HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-80834792202476362382008-09-29T19:08:00.000-04:002008-09-29T19:08:00.000-04:00Meanwhile in Palin news....Palin's parents pan med...Meanwhile in Palin news....<BR/><BR/>Palin's parents pan media<BR/>Tell Early Show's Harry Smith Their Daughter Is Ready To Be President <BR/><A>http://tinyurl.com/43gnfc</A><BR/><BR/>Exclusive: McCain, Palin Answer Critics <BR/>Katie Couric Asks Palin If She Contradicted McCain On Pakistan And Her Response To GOP Criticism<BR/><A>http://tinyurl.com/4lwg4s</A>Hairball T. Hairballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07406688058887590058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-66880590778832527032008-09-29T18:44:00.000-04:002008-09-29T18:44:00.000-04:00Read Robert Borosage in HuffPost today "After...Read Robert Borosage in HuffPost today "After the Revolt against Wall Street". If I could link it in this comment, I would (but we all know I am a link idiot).<BR/><BR/>E, I cannot explain anything, only offer observations! Ron Suskind pointed out today that the repubs are jumping ship on Bush just like they did in Nixon's final days. We all understood what was happening back then & that's why Gerry Ford was never elected. Let's hope as a country we haven't lost so many brain cells since then that we can't see why Obama NEEDS to be elected now. <BR/><BR/>Listening to McC today was an affront to reason. He is STILL blaming the sins of deregulation on Obama, STILL saying Obama wants to raise taxes on those making $42K, STILL saying he can reach across the aisle & Obama can't. <BR/><BR/>And just to cheer you up, Gerald Posner just Huff-posted a tidbit of conversation he had with Ross Perot in 1995 when Perot was investigating people he hated. He hated McCain because McC stopped the MIA bill & Perot thought some MIA's might still be alive. Perot told Posner that McCain had a HUGE gambling problem & that Cindy had bailed him out many times & he wondered if McCain might've used his senatorial position to repay some of his debts! This guy canNOT be president!D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-25498267667664017862008-09-29T18:19:00.000-04:002008-09-29T18:19:00.000-04:00DK::Well, they had Dodds plan - so the next couple...DK::<BR/>Well, they had Dodds plan - so the next couple of days will show what is what...I love how you explain this...better than me..thanksenigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-81506297199604901222008-09-29T18:10:00.000-04:002008-09-29T18:10:00.000-04:00Oh Helen, I'm not sure anyone can really expla...Oh Helen, I'm not sure anyone can really explain what went down. The original Paulson bailout idea sucked. Today's house plan had some important concessions for taxpayers & oversight. It wasn't perfect, but it would've calmed the international market. There will never be a perfect way to make things right that should never have reached this point.<BR/><BR/>The Dems aren't backing Shrub, but they understood the urgency of doing something & used Paulson's ideas as a starting point for their own plan. I want to see what the Senate comes up with. I'm unclear if they need to wait for the House to send them a bill first, or if they can initiate their own & send it to the House.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-19072870021084222852008-09-29T18:05:00.000-04:002008-09-29T18:05:00.000-04:00DK is an excellant Splainer ;-)This is all mindbog...DK is an excellant Splainer ;-)<BR/><BR/>This is all mindbogging.....they are not really supporting Bush's plan - they are supporting an Intervention...they do have to DO Something...but I am not convinced this was the best plan..I wish it was more progressive and more resrictive of the Wallstreet CEO's...and 100 B for Bush NO WAY....and wished it protected more homeowners...<BR/><BR/>I listened to Waxman and he presented some interesting points...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-19448292231887692212008-09-29T17:31:00.000-04:002008-09-29T17:31:00.000-04:00Thanks for 'splainin' it to me, DK! I don't get, t...Thanks for 'splainin' it to me, DK! I don't get, though, why this looks bad for rethugs IF the bailout isn't a good plan, since it's shrub's plan I don't trust it, and WHY are the dems backing the shrub's plan??!?HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-41415521225156687612008-09-29T17:28:00.000-04:002008-09-29T17:28:00.000-04:00Pelosi was saying that the bill should be passed. ...Pelosi was saying that the bill should be passed. What pissed off the repugs was that she had the audacity to bring up who is responsible for the series of events that led to where we are today. So she laid it at Bush's doorstep, which is too close for comfort for the repugs. THE TRUTH HURT THEIR FEELINGS!<BR/><BR/>BTW, don't forget out the outset when Paulson plan's was thrust out, the congressional Dems said they were NOT going to pass anything without majority repub support. They've been down that path before. <BR/><BR/>The stock trading volume today was also historical -- over 2Billion shares. About 50mill were side-ways or gains. WOW. This is a huge volume of shares sold at a loss!D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-60724524160612740202008-09-29T16:48:00.000-04:002008-09-29T16:48:00.000-04:00OK here's what I'm confused about. Was Pelosi sayi...OK here's what I'm confused about. Was Pelosi saying this bill should NOT have been voted for? And are dems considering the fact that most of them voted FOR it a good thing? I thought most consituents (us) opposed it? I'm getting so confused...HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-57682742362085567722008-09-29T16:45:00.000-04:002008-09-29T16:45:00.000-04:00I don't even have that excuse. I got sleep. I'd li...I don't even have that excuse. I got sleep. <BR/><BR/>I'd like to drop-kick McLame now for being such a rotten horrible person. Really, I'm so disgusted.HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-65101940048173800672008-09-29T16:36:00.000-04:002008-09-29T16:36:00.000-04:00I made the same mistake- and yes, my brain is also...I made the same mistake- and yes, my brain is also oatmeal at this point...got no sleep...sorry...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-68708514850694925322008-09-29T16:33:00.000-04:002008-09-29T16:33:00.000-04:00Uh... thanks everyone for not correcting me that B...Uh... thanks everyone for not correcting me that Boxer is a senator... sheeesh my brain is mush today!! Holy crap. LOL!HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-17745371918005879842008-09-29T16:31:00.000-04:002008-09-29T16:31:00.000-04:00yeah...he really is just a mean old man...and gee-...yeah...he really is just a mean old man...and gee- No Cake this time...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-66090098180063867372008-09-29T16:29:00.000-04:002008-09-29T16:29:00.000-04:00SIMPLY unbelievable. Is Caesar fiddling while Rome...SIMPLY unbelievable. Is Caesar fiddling while Rome burns... AGAIn? Remember the b-day cake during Katrina? Shit he really IS the shrub, only meaner, isnt' he?HelenWheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709287737262543974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-41311673614573933902008-09-29T16:22:00.000-04:002008-09-29T16:22:00.000-04:00On Shuster, the down is down 777 points....the Big...On Shuster, the down is down 777 points....the Biggest Number Drop in the History of the Market....<BR/><BR/>McCain's people " the Repug feelings were hurt and they were originally "excluded " from the process...<BR/><BR/>Shuster is confronting Eakins about how McCain and Liebermann eating at a Posh Resturante , while everyone else was working in DC eating sandwiches in their offices...and working...<BR/><BR/>McCain did NOT deliver ANY repug votes...Eakins is saying that McCain came through ( really ???)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-53565538440477745912008-09-29T15:50:00.000-04:002008-09-29T15:50:00.000-04:00Xdell::ahh thank you...I got this house after coll...Xdell::<BR/>ahh thank you...I got this house after college students had destroyed it...I think they had parties and hence the walls special feature...yuck...But now they are clean and painted every last inch of this house....it is an 1894- it was ready for someone to be nice to it....oh well..everywhere we have ever lived...has been Home...I hope that my landlord did the right thing and worked on that situation..<BR/><BR/>Now onto other issues...I did not like the NEW version the 106 page version was full of gifts and the 100 Billion for Bush...I think the Dodd plan was more favorable to us...real people ....Please know this I don't think the Wallst CEO's deserve any relief...my gut says that this mess is worse than we all know...and now that there are global repercussions...I am worried...I have many more questions than answers....the bottemline it is not a good intervention bill- and worse than that..I think Intervention might be too little too late....and will not help all of us that is what I am worried about....<BR/><BR/>I think we will enter a Depression...we are way past the "R" word....I am not saying that to fearmonger..I think that is just the truth of it...the reality.<BR/><BR/>I will read your link...I am sorry about the page loading slow- I am having trouble figuring it out...I will keep working on it...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-61143712754851685942008-09-29T15:43:00.000-04:002008-09-29T15:43:00.000-04:00HairBall::thank you.....It will be okay..whatever ...HairBall::<BR/>thank you.....It will be okay..whatever happens it will be okay...I just wanted to be honest that I am worried...and also that I know there are millions of other families going through the same thing...Oh, real quick- the GAO link I had for you about the retirement funds is not working- I am looking for a better link for you ( email me if you can so I can send directly to you - okay ?)<BR/><BR/>Dean::<BR/>You read my mind- I agree..Screw 'm, the repugs were and are playing games...for their own sake...but this is going to backfire on them..because they are trying to cater to their lobbyists...we all know it...<BR/><BR/>Helen::<BR/>ahhh you had to go there...oye...oh well..he is an embarrassment...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-1466462144013178792008-09-29T15:42:00.000-04:002008-09-29T15:42:00.000-04:00(1) Kudos on your handiwork. The walls hardly lo...(1) Kudos on your handiwork. The walls hardly looked pee-stained at all, now.<BR/><BR/>(2) I appreciate the fact that misfeasance and/or malfeasance on the part of financial institutions impacted your life in a concrete and negative way. That's a good thing to keep in mind, always.<BR/><BR/>(3) I thought I would share <A HREF="http://onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/09/26/02" REL="nofollow">this</A> with you. It's about some of the fundamental questions about the baiout and the media surrounding the issue.<BR/><BR/>(4) I am having a bit of difficulty loading your page. Then again,I'm on an ancient Pentium III machine.X. Dellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17561609651507566271noreply@blogger.com