tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post5034801409152259369..comments2023-11-02T06:43:49.663-04:00Comments on Watergate Summer: The Debate......enigma4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-17868255025030759202008-01-17T04:04:00.000-05:002008-01-17T04:04:00.000-05:00It is the next night....thanks to everyone for bei...It is the next night....thanks to everyone for being here...I just reread the thread...( 6-6 and I were talking tonight and neither of us could remember did Katrina come up ? he pointed out that ever since Katrina happened that is when the race issue came up- but was ignored...pretty astute...sadly...anyways...we could not remember if it came up or not...)<BR/><BR/>You all are wonderful - you are smart , paying attention and caring...and observant...thank you for being here...all of you....<BR/><BR/>We are NOT Invisible anymore....WE THE PEOPLE matter......don't ever forget that..enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-64295130397416708442008-01-16T13:04:00.000-05:002008-01-16T13:04:00.000-05:00Anok: thanks for doing that...I too have written n...Anok: thanks for doing that...I too have written numerous letters about their censorship in this process, and unfair treatment of the candidates.<BR/>It is not up to the Media to decide WHAT and WHO we hear from...<BR/><BR/>Gryphen : Thank you for being here last night and your insightful and humorous comments....enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-54965073140999258692008-01-16T12:58:00.000-05:002008-01-16T12:58:00.000-05:00I wrote a nasty e- mail to MSNBC about it - you ca...I wrote a nasty e- mail to MSNBC about it - you can read it on my blog. I suggest everyone does it. If nothing else, it does make you feel a little better. I don't even endorse Kucinich (but I do appreciate his debate style, the guy is nuts! I love it!) but he still entitled to have his platform heard, since he is, after-all, still in the running.Anokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675278947623136467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-64786501012501848192008-01-16T12:41:00.000-05:002008-01-16T12:41:00.000-05:00ANOK:I agree, I am so tired of the Media really ha...ANOK:<BR/>I agree, I am so tired of the Media really has manhandled our whole process...it is so infuriating...and very frustating....we , WE THE PEOPLE, deserve better, it is odd because the Newspapers and News Media have decreased numbers- you think they would realize that it is because of their own doing....as they lose more and more money maybe they will realize that most of us depend on our coverage via Internet- and that it their fault.enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-15920707268449382942008-01-16T12:11:00.000-05:002008-01-16T12:11:00.000-05:00Fran, Larry, Enigma - thank you for your answers!I...Fran, Larry, Enigma - thank you for your answers!<BR/><BR/>I see that the media has now taken it upon itself to decide who the voters should hear from....thus seriously inhibiting the ability of voters to make informed choices. They have forced the public to now accept that the top three candidates are the only choices the public has - the rest apparently, and based soley on straw polls and "expert forecasts", won't make it, so why should we hear them?<BR/><BR/>Of course they know that if the other candidates have an opinion, and the voters hear it and - gasp! - like it! - the party's pet candidates might lose ground.<BR/><BR/>We need a different system. <BR/><BR/>Other than that - thank you for your in depth coverage of the debate!!!!Anokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675278947623136467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-46585882745057785292008-01-16T11:25:00.000-05:002008-01-16T11:25:00.000-05:00Well I had fun last night.I even left my blog to v...Well I had fun last night.<BR/><BR/>I even left my blog to visit here and stayed because Enigma was doing much better at keeping track of things then I was. <BR/><BR/>d.k. that guy from last night made the remark that Russert was asking "race based questions". (Weird, I was going to post a link to the video which I swear I saw at least twice this morning and simply cannot find it.)<BR/><BR/>I am going to hammer on the Hillary fear card portion of last nights debate, which I truly feel is her weakest spot.<BR/><BR/>As for Obama I wish he had not said that he did not feel like he should micro-manage, because you just know that is going to get a lot of play.<BR/><BR/>Edwards did a very good job last night, when they let him get a word in edge wise.Gryphenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-31924475740742137442008-01-16T02:37:00.000-05:002008-01-16T02:37:00.000-05:00Fran: I totally agree...this is wrong...and yes, i...Fran: I totally agree...this is wrong...and yes, it has to stop....on another Blog they suggested that the NEW Pres could appoint kucinich to FCC chair....<BR/><BR/>I don;t even know who to write to anymore...or where to get relief on this issue...I am stymied- I silly me- thought that the Judge made real progress the other day....<BR/><BR/>I am so sorry that this is happening...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-57820152145090065552008-01-16T01:57:00.000-05:002008-01-16T01:57:00.000-05:00Since the debates are not on the public airwaves, ...Since the debates are not on the public airwaves, I feel like both Kucinich & I were shut out.<BR/>Ron Paul had the same experience on the repug side.<BR/>This has to stop. NBC should not be able to argue their "free speech rights" involve shutting out a candidate for a Presidential debate?<BR/>What floors me is the first judge not only ordered NBC to let Kucinich in the debate, but he said he would shut the whole thing down if they did not follow court orders. Now that would have been a sight to behold!<BR/><BR/>But NBC appealed to the State Supreme court, and they overturned the lower court ruling.<BR/>So the NBC corporation has it's free speech rights protected & the rest of the country has been shat upon.<BR/><BR/>The First Amendment:<BR/><BR/>Bill of Rights<BR/><BR/>Amendment I<BR/><BR/>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.<BR/><BR/>How the hell does omitting Kucinich from the presidential debate fall under this amendment?<BR/><BR/>We need to demand a basic standard in which to conduct debates & stop all this nonsense.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-50838669987993386332008-01-16T01:42:00.000-05:002008-01-16T01:42:00.000-05:00Dk:Well, I thank anyone who could read what I wrot...Dk:<BR/>Well, I thank anyone who could read what I wrote- it is very hard to type, try to listen, field questions from 6-6, and WATCH...because it is all about the expressions, the body language ( like jury watching....)....so this my worst typing....and translating of events....but if you mustered through...thank you...<BR/><BR/>Now about the different issues:<BR/>(1) You are so right about Dennis- and the decision was made right before- litterally minutes...Keith announced- so I guess that was considered taken care of ??? I have no idea...but I agree with you- and all of it again has left the process besmirched...<BR/><BR/>(2)About Yucca- I was glad to hear Edwards talk about it...and I did not know about the Forged Docs....( I have suspected...)<BR/><BR/>(3) The Mushareff issue- I had heard Edwards twice interviewed about this and he explained that he thought it was an important issue and needed to be handled calmly and yes, he reached out- but it was in true diplomatic fashion- this is what a REAL leader would and should do...Russert made an ass of himself....<BR/><BR/>(4) I have been seraching online about the guy who complained about the Racial line of questoning...by tomorrow I am sure we will learn more....<BR/><BR/>thanks DK...really good observations....and glad you got to watch...and join us here...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-34462339539423241942008-01-16T01:32:00.000-05:002008-01-16T01:32:00.000-05:00This is wonderful! I don't know how you can do th...This is wonderful! I don't know how you can do this & watch the debate at the same time. I recorded it & just finished watching. Your comments are dead on. Only a few thoughts from moi: <BR/><BR/>About Yucca Mtn ... Edwards is not dodging the fact that he voted for it (twice), but he is correct that the original science was skewed. Awful cover-ups about earthquake potential, ground-shifting, surface & underground contamination, etc. Forged documents did indeed emerge & I'm glad they caused him to cease supporting Yucca. <BR/><BR/>About the bizzaro Musharref question posed by Russert to Edwards ... Russert accused him of making a phone call to provide "cover" for Musharref. I wanted to SCREAM: just what the holy hell are you implying, Russert, you pig-brain excuse for a journalist? You think cuz you walk on 2-legs, you are entitled to fling out an accusation like that? Explain yourself! But no, Edwards just calmly answered about insisting on an independent investigation of Bhutto's death. I wanted fire, passion, this was a deliberate slur on his motives! Missed opportunity.<BR/><BR/>An observation involving the balls or lack thereof of the candidates tonight: Neither Williams nor Russert announced at the beginning what was the status of Dennis Kucinich. After finding out the news at the last minute, I think the Big-Three should have insisted that an empty chair be placed at the table. No words would be necessary then. Just an empty chair would've meant a lot.<BR/><BR/>OK, one more thing: does anyone know what happened to the guy who screamed out about racist questions? Was he escorted out like at a repub debate? He sure shut up fast & the camera did not pan the audience. In fact, at various points in the debate, there were more audience noises, unintelligible, but kind of disgruntled.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-50050724921851731062008-01-15T23:47:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:47:00.000-05:00Gryphen: about how he creeps you out ?yeah, I woul...Gryphen: about how he creeps you out ?<BR/>yeah, I would rather have a root canal than listen to him for an hour...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-72200910412081558092008-01-15T23:38:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:38:00.000-05:00G::I noticed that, I thought Obama did a great job...G::<BR/><BR/>I noticed that, I thought Obama did a great job of bring that issue into light....now WHO is the Clinton Person - Rodney Slater ? I don't recognize him- it is usually Mark Penn....<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think Matthews has a Love/hate relationship with her- and I also think he has been a brat to her and has been reprimanded by the Heirarchy...or who knows...he could be just Loving her since she won...becuase he did not love her after Iowa...<BR/><BR/>He is so unprofessional...<BR/><BR/>I think he is told what to do...personally...because he does not like her...oh hell he is rude to all women...except Ann Coulter..enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-3727555815785966732008-01-15T23:33:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:33:00.000-05:00Obama's campaign manager is bringing up the politi...Obama's campaign manager is bringing up the politics of fear with Tweety.<BR/><BR/>This is gong to be THE talking point for Olbermann and others who are not in Hillary's corner.<BR/><BR/>By the way, when did Matthews develop this bizarre crush on Hillary? I thought he hated the Clinton's! Did they get to him too? Or is he just trying to diffuse the anger directed at him for attacking her after New Hampshire?<BR/><BR/>Damn he creeps me out!Gryphenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-23696255065007953532008-01-15T23:28:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:28:00.000-05:00Larry: I agree, but I also think that if they were...Larry: I agree, but I also think that if they were tougher - she would have pulled the victim, this is so unfair stance....I just tried to look at it- WHO is most presidential- and it was nice to see Obama and Edwards really talking about Iraq- and thinking together..that really showed me something....I did not see her "working with other people skills"....I also hated when she kept saying that this is a Brown Black debate and Brown Black State....I thought it was offensive and not acknowledging the debate is about issues effecting all people....<BR/><BR/>Okay ,...I don;t know how much of Tweety I can take.....I might have to elvis my TV... grrrrrrr.....enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-79026477149128215742008-01-15T23:21:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:21:00.000-05:00This was boring as there was too much niceness and...This was boring as there was too much niceness and too much Russert/Williams softballing Hillary.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283557503536810926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-87389308994520877162008-01-15T23:13:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:13:00.000-05:00Ahhh the Fear question and she went right into her...Ahhh the Fear question and she went right into her same thing she said that caused the question????<BR/><BR/>anyways....ys, Tweety is sooooo offensive...WHY WHY...do we have to tortured like this???<BR/><BR/>They need other people Chuck Toodd, Micheal Wolf etc etc..<BR/><BR/>we need more people to analyze...<BR/><BR/>then tweety having as a siezure..enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-73809808486893300692008-01-15T23:03:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:03:00.000-05:00My favorite question of this debate was the fear c...My favorite question of this debate was the fear card question posed to Hillary. I just wish they would have expanded on it and allowed Edwards to weight in as well.<BR/><BR/>Hillary sounded just like a Republican candidate for those few minutes. She may have garnered some potential Republican votes but I hope that the news media will use those remarks to educate the Democratic voters on just who Hillary really is.<BR/><BR/>Aaahhh! Tweety is doing the analysis with Keith. Why do they keep trotting him out?Gryphenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-61128507987184111042008-01-15T23:02:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:02:00.000-05:00okay shit..I spoke tooooooo soon....Tweeety is bla...okay shit..I spoke tooooooo soon....Tweeety is blathering....time for mylanta shooters..enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-9840623620132732972008-01-15T23:01:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:01:00.000-05:00Thanks for all being here....thank heavens minimal...Thanks for all being here....<BR/><BR/>thank heavens minimal Tweety....<BR/><BR/>Sooooo what does everybody think?enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-15495252931186149362008-01-15T23:00:00.001-05:002008-01-15T23:00:00.001-05:00Brian Williams is an admitted Republican.Brian Williams is an admitted Republican.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283557503536810926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-72958957161669532352008-01-15T23:00:00.000-05:002008-01-15T23:00:00.000-05:00FRAN::: thank you for putting the Kucinich issue-...FRAN::: thank you for putting the Kucinich issue- I hope you saw it ANOK.<BR/>**********************<BR/><BR/>Brian: asked about the fearmongering question about how she brought up Gordon and the attack question<BR/><BR/>Hill; okay she gives all the standard rhetoric "about quellling the threat of terra" ( blah blah)<BR/><BR/>Obama: We have been dominated by the Politics of fear ever since 911. She did a good job after 911, BUT I don't think the spector of fear to be brought up as a comapign issue- he now talks about how that fear was played on to take us into Iraq. I plan to be honest and straightforward with the american people and rebuilding relationships and alliances around the world...<BR/><BR/>Hill: she talks about Gordon Brown and how he was tested as soon as he was in office ( why that is revelant??) It matters who is president and the beuarcacuy and we need vigilance and watch ( same rhetoric as bush ??)<BR/><BR/>Edwards : Russert asked about his phone call to Musharref : Was it appropriate to talk to Mushsarreff. I called the Pakistani Ambassador....I said I had some things I wanted to say to him, then he caled me back I was tough on him, I told him what was needed. He also talked about Bhutto, he told Musharref that an External Investigation and the path to Democracy to continue and the elections have to continue- but these were the same things I would say as President.<BR/><BR/>***************************<BR/>Question from Jim Milton in ca:<BR/>WHen did you decide you were going to be pres?<BR/><BR/>HILL: last Jan, I want to be the problem solveer<BR/><BR/>Edwards: Decemeber a little over at year ago, made it with my family....it is personal<BR/><BR/>Obama: Dec 06 on vacation with family, could family survive,and wife extraordianary etc...Was there something that I could do better than others,,...that i could be honest with the american people and bring this country together and unite them to path of Change...<BR/><BR/>Finale....<BR/><BR/>Thank you for Being here...<BR/><BR/>( this will be reaired...later....I will watch again later)<BR/><BR/>Now Keith....enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-41097226329296358392008-01-15T22:53:00.000-05:002008-01-15T22:53:00.000-05:00Easy one, Russert.Brian hangs out with Jon Stewart...Easy one, Russert.<BR/><BR/>Brian hangs out with Jon Stewart.Gryphenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-19878897761867228192008-01-15T22:52:00.000-05:002008-01-15T22:52:00.000-05:00Who is more Republican- Williams or Russert?Who is more Republican- Williams or Russert?Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283557503536810926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-63874260644657413662008-01-15T22:49:00.000-05:002008-01-15T22:49:00.000-05:00Is Brian asking the fear card question? Oh yes he...Is Brian asking the fear card question? Oh yes he is!Gryphenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-86694029937653722232008-01-15T22:44:00.000-05:002008-01-15T22:44:00.000-05:00( Hey Cart- good to see you...and Gman- yiup- that...( Hey Cart- good to see you...and Gman- yiup- that was interesting)<BR/><BR/>Hill: gun question...Legal vs Illegal Gun issue ( ** she sidestepped the rate of Black on Black crime issue) She has backed off a national licenseing program...<BR/><BR/>Obama: tracing guns is a part of the issue, NRA is not allowing. There is an issue about lawful s lawful gun issues....34 shot dead children in chicago, it is about 2nd amendment respected....<BR/><BR/>Edwards: Licensinging and registration is still not effective , he explian to russert again. Assualt weapons need to be banned again ( expired under bush)<BR/><BR/>BREAK:enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.com