tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post5732174850370985518..comments2023-11-02T06:43:49.663-04:00Comments on Watergate Summer: LET'S TALK HEALTHCARE...SO IMPORTANT IN THIS ELECTIONenigma4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-67010144600369327512008-07-10T21:19:00.000-04:002008-07-10T21:19:00.000-04:00I hope this gets fixed next year...I hope this gets fixed next year...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-89439200211561581972008-02-06T00:30:00.000-05:002008-02-06T00:30:00.000-05:00Enigma, I'll be back to read this wonderfully deta...Enigma, I'll be back to read this wonderfully detailed post. I'm in the midst of a lot of craziness in the non-blog world so have limited blog reading time!Mauigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529827915262851910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-18169146285215114102008-02-05T09:00:00.000-05:002008-02-05T09:00:00.000-05:00You made a great point that I missed in regards to...You made a great point that I missed in regards to people being refused care via fiat of the Insurance companies.<BR/><BR/>It's a crying shame that we can no longer rely on our doctor's advice to make sound choices on our own health care issues, we must first get the "permission" of the insurance company to pursue care or be willing to pay out of pocket (sometimes deeply).<BR/><BR/>You are right, we don't need "mandatory" health insurance so much as we need to reopen access to affordable health care to EVERYONE not just those folks that the insurance companies deem "worthy".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03031039417582635909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-33699841356185089312008-02-03T17:35:00.000-05:002008-02-03T17:35:00.000-05:00Badtux....sadly you have to listen to the Speechs ...Badtux....<BR/>sadly you have to listen to the Speechs too...<BR/>and listen to what he says...<BR/>But I will go back..Because he says Universal healthcare....I thought his site said that...and I will write and call his people again..sorry...<BR/><BR/>( I think they really need to be clearer on this issue- it is HUGE,..)<BR/>Please know we are not sqaubbling- I too am trying to decipher this issue...<BR/><BR/>as a Nurse of over 20 years- I am the first to admit that this Problem MUST be Fixed FOR ALL....enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-66153398135793719142008-02-03T14:40:00.000-05:002008-02-03T14:40:00.000-05:00Like I said, I'm going by what's actually *PUBLISH...Like I said, I'm going by what's actually *PUBLISHED ON THE CANDIDATES' WEB SITES*. If Obama really does have a plan to cover all Americans, he needs to put it on his web site. The one on his web site *DOES NOT* cover all Americans, despite whatever waffling Obama does in debates to imply that it does. <BR/><BR/>And if you read *WHAT IS ON THE WEBSITES*, Hillary's plan does have funding mechanisms in it. As you correctly point out, it's an expensive plan and far, far, far from the plan I would personally prefer, but it *does* cover all Americans. <BR/><BR/>Once again, I am going by what is actually on the candidates' web sites, not by what they say in speeches or debates. Hillary's plan *IS* Edwards's plan, for the most part. Again, I am going by what is actually on the candidates' sites, not by what political activists *say* is on their sites or what the candidates *claim* is on their sites. If their plans are different from what is on their web sites, they need to update their web sites.<BR/><BR/>- Badtux the Health Care PenguinBadTuxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345749557330760251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-83681979348423631352008-02-03T14:10:00.000-05:002008-02-03T14:10:00.000-05:00Hey there Badtux, She was on talk shows this am......Hey there Badtux, <BR/>She was on talk shows this am...and actually she was saying that wages would be garnished " We will go after their wages" AChhhhhh...That is not the issue- NO ONE sits around trying to avoid getting healthcare- it is about cost...Insurance Companies run amok..Hill's plan is actually close to Mitt's- she also wants to computerize the system- with a Rand Corporation Card ( I would love to know if they have given to the Campaign..) BUT that has many problems- fraud, privacy issues galore ( which MEdical people have fought for years) AND THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND CREDIT COMPANIES WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT PEOPLE....TALK ABOUT BIG BROTHER RUNAMOK..<BR/><BR/>She keeps saying her plan is LIKE Edwards- he wanted Healthcare for ALL , she wants HEALTH INSURANCE FOR ALL...there is a HUGE difference.<BR/><BR/>He also wanted to regulate Costs and So does Obama- she wants to CAP costs- so if you are already paying SKY HIGH premiums- they would just stay high.....<BR/><BR/>Obama does have a Plan to pay- she does not- that is becuase we would still be paying- US the People...<BR/><BR/>It is to bad that more people can not HEAR his plan- it is the one that is actually closer to Edwards- she is not being truthful about it.enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-8962297324839359542008-02-03T04:30:00.000-05:002008-02-03T04:30:00.000-05:00My only problem here is that I carefully parsed ea...My only problem here is that I carefully parsed each candidate's health care proposals and... Hillary and Edwards' proposals both covered *all* Americans (though in a totally corrupt and inefficient manner and not as cheaply as Kucinich's Medicare For All plan), while Obama's proposals, despite all his protestations to the contrary, only cover *some* Americans. If he has a plan to cover *all* Americans, he needs to put it on his web site, because the one he has there doesn't.<BR/><BR/>I'm pretty much a single-issue voter in this upcoming election -- health care -- and that's why I didn't vote for Obama in the California primary. Note that Hillary's current proposal is Edwards's proposal with the serial numbers filed off and more pork added to it to hopefully make it more attractive to Congress, and Edwards's proposal in turn was basically RomneyCare with the serial numbers filed off and a single payer plan grafted on as an option. So I find it hilarious that Mitt Romney took time out to criticize what is basically *HIS OWN PLAN* as being "socialized medicine", LOL! <BR/><BR/>- Badtux the Health Care PenguinBadTuxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345749557330760251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-59375150102969242892008-02-02T22:39:00.000-05:002008-02-02T22:39:00.000-05:00Larry-I agree with you...and I hope and pray that ...Larry-<BR/>I agree with you...and I hope and pray that we can teach these Candidate about that....( I can only write soooo many letters..) But I will keep working on it..<BR/><BR/>You are Right- 100%enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-52732940488480923102008-02-02T21:47:00.000-05:002008-02-02T21:47:00.000-05:00I'm not a fan of either of their healthcare plans....I'm not a fan of either of their healthcare plans.<BR/><BR/>Making healthcare more affordable won't help those in poverty, or making low wages.<BR/><BR/>We should all receive the same healthcare that congress receives.<BR/><BR/>After all our tax dollars pay for theirs, why can't it buy ours as well.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283557503536810926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-5415487767046717862008-02-02T17:26:00.000-05:002008-02-02T17:26:00.000-05:00Gryphen:Thanks...I think it was too long winded......Gryphen:<BR/>Thanks...I think it was too long winded...sorry..I wish it were not so complicated.....I am watching Michelle Obama on cspan...WILD Crowd in Delaware ( I Know Delaware !!!!???) Tomorrow is SuperBowl...Yahoooooo......( and there is always the CAVS.....and Lebron...) But I have calls to make for Obama the next two days...and Signs to make for my 3rd Floor Windows with Christmas Lights....<BR/><BR/>I am not Tired ...I am Fired Up ;-)enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-11086708664685981062008-02-02T09:12:00.000-05:002008-02-02T09:12:00.000-05:00Well done Enigma,It is a lot to read and it is sti...Well done Enigma,<BR/>It is a lot to read and it is still a little muddled but that is not your fault it is the fault of the system.<BR/><BR/>I really appreciate that you encourage people to listen to the candidates for themselves and make their choices. Any time somebody supports keeping an open mind while gathering the facts you know they are being straight with you.<BR/><BR/>You have really done a huge public service to everybody who is trying to make sense of this issue, and you are to be commended.<BR/><BR/>You deserve a break. Maybe there is some sporting event that you can watch in the next couple of days to take you away from the health care and political realm and allow your mental batteries to recharge.<BR/><BR/>I will look into that for you.Gryphenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-41723384573941447982008-02-02T05:19:00.000-05:002008-02-02T05:19:00.000-05:00(BTW just for the record I am one of the 47 Millio...(BTW just for the record I am one of the 47 Million, and I even had Health Insurance and was cancelled and denied due to health history.....and was paying HUGE fees and premiums due to being a single mom /RN working PT/per diem)<BR/><BR/>So I do KNOW how worrisome and painful this issue is for millions....I too have lived it...enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15374623.post-20295116848766584662008-02-02T04:41:00.000-05:002008-02-02T04:41:00.000-05:00Are you still confused ? have a headache ? that is...Are you still confused ? have a headache ? that is okay....If you have questions do email me at enigma4ever@earthlink.net, and we can delve into it and figure it out......I have spent years studying this...Living this ...and as a nurse I am willing to help Everyone Get the Care they deserve and need.<BR/><BR/>We Can do this.....really.<BR/><BR/>Namaste.enigma4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589997090173140019noreply@blogger.com