Spanish Judge keeps Torture Probe into Bush Six Open, will not set aside case.
I know most of us are still absorbing these memos, remember these are only FOUR of the memos, I would love to know how MANY there really are ? And what details are we missing ? and Yes I would like to see ALL of it, I think we deserve the truth. I have heard people say that Obama is protecting Bush, I don't think that is true. I think he is trying to help us get educated about the situation. The First week in office , one of his first signing statements was Re- Implementing FOIA laws. Without FOIA laws, we would not even be reading these FOUR Bush Torture Memos.
Andrew Sullivan has more of a perspective on this that is worth reading.....
There must be MORE outrage and disgust and angst, or there will be No Movement to get Justice about what was done in our names....The fact is that it DID happen, and it could happen again. We must make sure that there are trials, and not just about the Torture, but also about the Illegal Spying...and the LIES.
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Just more of the same.. it just keeps getting worse.. what is it going to take? I watched idiot Joke this morning and he laughed about it and just made me ill how he belittled what these memos said.. to him it was nothing.. Even Chris Hitchins tried to tell him that Water Boarding was not a joke and he just laughed him off too. That's what we are dealing with. How can we ever prosecute when this is what we are dealing with?
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I don't have answers..I don't know...I think Obama does not want to prosecute people that took orders from the President...does this mean that he is going to seek charges against Bush and Cheney ? I don't know....but I don know that there MUST be Justice....
From what I got, from him and from the ACLU he is working on something I am not sure exactly what, but something is in the works, regarding the guys in charge.. who I don't know. But, I am thinking that may be why he didn't go after the ones in the CIA who did the actual torture.. there may have been some kind of deal cut with them. Everyone is all in an outrage over this but they don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Pres. Obama always has his way of doing things we never know about.. he is so smart... and the ACLU guy knows something... he just isn't telling either... He was really pushing back against Andrea Mitchell today... I mean HARD push back...and she was really spouting the rethug line.. we aren't safe, all that crap.. and he let her have it. I doubt it would be on line but it would be nice to have.
But he even told her that Pres. Obama was planning something. That was exactly what he said.. So.. just stay tuned...lol Another reason I say we have got to get after our Reps... stay after them and the media... There is a movement to write to Countdown or call MSNBC to yell at Joke for laughing about torture.
I didn't see the Andrea inteview- so I am a little unsure who the "he' is above that you speak of- and of course now I am curious...
My gut says something is afoot- I remember the rallies whenever this issue came up gitmo or torture- people stood up and cheered- the one downtown ctown rally- people were up standing- fists in the air- 6-6 next to me even...and I was stunned how palpable the anger was in the room- esp from the VETS near us...it was stunning- there is no way Obama is walking away from those moments or those people...people cared about what was done in our name- they still do...
( I can't stand andrea- so never watch her...)
now about Obama my feeling is that he had to gather evidence from the prisons- close them but hold them for evidence, and yeah, the people that did the torture were ordered by the president- they will need to talk...my gut wonders if some already have....it's not them that I want Justice- it's the TOP that ordered all of this-I just don't see Obama walking away- I just think it is more complicated and messy and ugly than we know....
if Obama did turn his back on this or walk away... it would break my heart...
His name is Jameel Jaffer with ACLU, he is the attorney who sued for release of the memos.. so he worked with and against the Pres. so to speak.. But just from what he said there is something going on. I normally don't watch her either, but was out today and they had it on at the restaurant where I was..
thanks- I will look for the interview- I get updates from them every days on this...and other issues...I value my membership with them....they do good work...
and yes, I think something else is afoot.....
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( actually I also thought that when gonzo was not invited to the shruberry cough legacy party this week)
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