I will be LIVEBLOGGING the Debate in the Comments...this is the 19th Debate? It is being held here in Ohio, in Cleveland at the Cleveland State University.It is a wonderful Venue to hold the Debate.Sadly it was not open to the Public, so it will be a small polite crowd. ( In the Comments we of course can be as rude as we want...). Read the Post Below- we have some Bets going.
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I think all of us that have suffered through Tweety tonight......we deserve a reward....he is insuffereable....OMG the commentator Michelle Bernard just said" IS this the THREE faces of Eve."..????
really is a 10 dollar question...
9pm
Okay they have entered the arena, CSU...there is a crowd there...but the public was not invited so I have NO idea who they are....Obama is looking relaxed and calm....Hill is wearing Brown.....Hill is facing Russert and Brian is facing Obama.....She has barely looked at Obama...
So here we go....get ready...
Has Hillary had work done?
Or did they just sandblast her face before she took the stage?
Question One:
Brian is asking Hill about the footage of the past few days ( ouch).
Hill this is a contested campaign...."respect" for Obama...blah Blah..."other information" What? ....it has been disturbing to me....I am standing up for myself....( voice sounds edgey....snippy) Now she is bithcing about Health care...
NOW Brian is asking about the PHOTO....she claims to KNOW nothing...
Obama:
First off the Healthcare Issue is important...lets talk about it first. Mandate about that People MUST purchase it....there is a difference between people ALL being provided for, and HOW they would have to pay for it...my flyers just pointed out the differences.....Her Campaign has constantly sent out negative emailings and phone calls....
HILL: about how his plan only mandates for children....now she is talking about how ER plans would blah blah...Harry Truman..she is still bithcing about the mailing...saying how it looks like a Repug Mailer...( WHAT is she talking about ).....She keeps saying that his plan is NOT Universal health Care- what is she talking about....???
Obama:
Universal Healthcare is the premise of my plan....ALL will be able to obtain it ....Asks about HOW she is going to Enforce the Mandate ? Mass is the situation that has Mandatory Insurance and things are not smooth....are we going to make sure that Everyone can afford it ?
Hill:
But Obama's plan has a mandate . but what about the parents - but now she is getting shrill....she is cutting him off....( she never says HOW it will be paid for , and she is YELLING ALREADY...by the way HER PLAN stinks) .....she is already ranting and yelling , this only made it 7 minutes in....oye ( and we have not even gotten to NAFTA)....
What the hell was that?
Did she just cite Saturday Night Live as a reference for how unfairly she is begin treated? Did she even watch that episode?
Seventeen minutes and the shrieking has started. I was off by one and a half minutes.
9;18 Om BOOOOOOOOs...because she is whining ...about HOW Obama is getting special treatment...now she is yelling about NAFTA...and she is going on and on....about how she has been attacked.....on this issue...
Obama:
Is talking about how she has said that it was good- and said it on the record...and he talking tough about it...and about how people have been hurt by this....and the devastation has been wrought by these agreements...( he sounds strong)...brings up health and safety issues...( she won;t even look at him )
Russert corrects her- and said that she did say it was good thing...he is quoting ALL the Flyers...and that they are accurate...Russert is asking about the NAFTA ..
Hill""
I will re-negoiate, relook at the contracts....( Russert asked if she will pull out...) You words are much different than what you said in the 90's, and the Senate race...she keeps talking about the Plain Dealer and the Facts ( I have NO idea what she is talking about-I read the Dealer - and they did not denfend her-= they actually endorsed Obama)...She is Yellling about HOW Nafta works...She is sooooooo Defensive....
Russert:
Are you willing to OPT out, but she is NOT answering she keeps saying that she will renegogiate this issue...
Obama:
I have been consisitant in my oppostition to the NAFTA, I said deals can be helpful to USA, but not this deal or these deals and the health and safety is not being examined close enough. He brings up the issues that are hurting people here- Trade can not be the only part of our Agenda....we need to look at Ordinary Workers and how they have been effected- so he is bring ing up ALL pieces of his Economic Agenda- from Green work to Science to Infrastructure....etc etc He was calm and focused...
Now Hill answering Russert
ABout her jobs and she is YELLING..and she is saying that we can create NEW jobs....5million jobs...blah blah...She is really yelling ( it is giving me a headache)....
Brian:
reads the speech about Hill Comparing Obama to Bush in his foriegn Experience....
Obama:
I don''t think people think that Experience in DC creates credibility...He brings up About Iraq...and Pakistan etc etc....all good points ( esp when he brings up about democracy and stability there). Judgement is the ISSUE....
Hill:
Brian asked if US would be taking a chance on Obama...she is blabbing about all kinds of things comes up ....( now she is saying that his speech in 2002 and that many people gave antiwar speeches and that by 2004 he agreed with the war- that is NOT true by theway) She keeps saying " on a number of other issues, he does not have credibility and I dissagree with him saying he would meet with World Worst Dictators and how he would meet with them without conditions)....I have traveled to over 80 countries ( SO WHAT????)....blah blah.....
Obama :
He corrects that his judgement was RIGHT about the War...and that he felt that all along it was Wrong...he points out that SHE gave in to Bush and she faciliated and enabled Bush...he also explained What he would do what was needed to do what was needed in pakistan....( what ever that may entail)....He is calm and focused in his answers ( and she is shrill and snippy...again)
Hillary is seething!
Barack's statement about Hillary voting just like McCain until she started running for President was a bullseye and her face is changing to a, quite lovely, crimson color.
Obama:
Answering hard question about Iraq, and answer first, and answers that We need to right away lay a phased withdrawl strategy, first thing is to work with the Cheifs and form a plan.....
Hill:
says there is no military solution, but she cuts off Russert. Something about if Iraq goes to Hell ( well, that is odd, considering Iraq is already hell)...he asked if she would re - enter. Within 60 the withdrwl would begin...I have been a leader to having them stay ( WHAT? she has not done a damn thing to fight bush)...And now she is bring ing up about Afgansitan- and now she is critiisizing his work on the Foriegn Relations Committtee (What is she talking about ???) And Russert asks would he go back in Iraq if needed ( WHY is Russert asking this ??)
Obama:
he explains about Afganishtan....the prez as commander in cheif I will act as needed , esp related to Al Queda, we shouild always cooperate with....
Hill :
She keeps interrupting....and she won't let him tkae a break ......shit what a bitch...
Break...
Hill is returning to stage....( Maybe she went to the bathroom)...
Brian Asked Obama:
( they show Hill and her RI Sky Opening Moment Speech- her Mocking moment)
"Sounds good" ( ooops Brian did not mean to air- Hill laughes with Her Cackle)....Obama said that
I understand my speechs as Not being Solution based...( she laughs too hard and too loud)..she is watching him ....for 20 years I have been working hard to make a difference....He is speaking well about How Special Interests do not help families here in Ohio....You hear these stories and you realize that NO ONE is listening to them...No One has been advocating for them...or even listening...
Brian :
Asked WHat did you mean by that tape ?
Hill:
She says she was having a little fun....Obama being cool, writing notes....( So she does NOT answer WHY she did it...) She is yelling again....about getting money back to re- invest..( She keeps talkin g about about being in Cleveland and she has not been here at all)....and she keeps getting these little digs in about Obama and his votes....
Now they air the Clip of Obama speaking about How Hill was a part of the Presidency, but he explains that he cherry picks what she wants to take credit for , he explains that he she likes to take credit but not responsisiblity for .....He explains about how he has had problems with HOW she fights with a number of people that want to be a part of working on those problems...( he points out that we need to work together- and we need to inspire and mobilize the people so that Change can happen in this Country....)....He brings up about Special Interests and how they hurt the American People....
Russert: asked about the stupid questionnaire that he filled out and signed and he signed that he would sit down and work on a agreement.....He explained that he did not take PAC money or Lobby or Big Business Money- our ORG is funded by the American People....
( Russert does not ask her....but he does ask about her joint returns, and asked about Her releasing her records and her tax returns and she laughs- that is pretty inappropriate...)
Hill:
Says that she has hundreds of thousands of donors...I will release my returns upon becoming the nominieee- says she is open ( but she is not)...and she was late releasing her records from January...
Russert:
Louis Farrakon has issued support from Him- do you have anything to say.
Obama:
I can not do anything, I can only say how I denunciate that his stance,and that I did not in any way support or solicit....this...I have nothing to do with Farakon....
and then Russert brings up Something about his Church??? ( What is this ???)
Obama:
He is setting Russert straight...( why should he have to explain or defend his minister or his church- this is total bullshit)....He explains that the Jewsih Community and the Black Community needs to reopen....and he answers this fairly...
Now she brings up Something ABout HER...( because it is always about her)....What is she talking about ????Obama is watching her....closely....
Now she is saying that there is a difference between Reouncing and Rejecting...Obama concedes the point...and the audience claps about that....
Break...
Obama:
Brian asked you have a more Liberal Voting Record than Ted Kennedy ( National Record survey)....
So he explains WHAT the rating is related to ....Immigration issue and also Ethics ( He supported an Indenpendent Office to Investigate- I don't think that is a liberal position....)He is explaining why he is attracting Independents and Repugs and People that have not felt represented in a long time- they sick of those labels...
Rusert asked Something ( sorry I missed it- 6-6 and I were gabbing).....Something about Putey....
She is yelling ( her makeup looks freshened.....)
gee I hope she doesn't cry...
Obama says that she speaks accurately about Putey and his Pick....and he speaks to how Bush neglected the relationship with Russia....that we did not send a serious messege about Human Rights etc....Speaking Eloquently about Kosovo...
Russert:
Is there anything that you would want to change or take back...???
Hill:
Something about How she regrets that Bush took us to war..this how has to be about the Future....and now she is talking about Issues about the World...( that she still does not answer the Question - shit Russert gave her a Mea Culpa Moment....and she did not handle it with any grace...)
Obama:
About Terry Shiavo....I did not feel comfortable with the Congress interjecting ...I feel like I was inactive and did not take a stand...I should have....He is laying down a red carpet..and says she has campaigned magnificently--- but we both have heard many heartbreaking experiences....people just want a hand up to keep afloat- they don't want much,...we must change HOW govet in DC is done....( gracious)...
Brian:
Asks that each of them should ask a question of the other- Obama bounced it...I don't think that she has to answer a question , I think that we each bring different things to unite us and deliver changes to what we need....
Obama is sitting quietly.....stating..blinking alot...
Hill:
( Brian asked the same stupid "worthiness" question)
She has put on Her Lifetime Voice....not snippy....now she is thrilled..to be running as the first woman ( and there was applause???WTF???)
Either one of us will make History, Who can change the country ( the joke is that Obama is the one that has Changed this WHOLE Country and HOW we respond to this WHOLE Process...) and now she is waxing and whining...blah blah....she says she wants to help...We need a Fighter Back in the WH ( but the Amerian People are Sick of Fighting....)
This Frigging thing is ending....Obama holds her chair and offers a hand...and Obama shakes hands with commentators...Chelsa appears to hold her mothers's hand, dressed in yet another Fine Amish Fashion...Obama is signing....
Okay I am done.....phew...I am done blogging...WHAT do you all think ???
Thoughts...reflections....rude or otherwise? Humor?
Gryphen:
I did indeed see that her gasket got tworked by 17 minutes....and yes, she did turn red off and on...
Okay in Follow Up....
ALL of the Important Questions are addressed over on Obama's website- some even with YouTube Videos- even on the Jewish Issues, VET issues and Job issues and yes Healthcare- AlL of it put up while the Debate raged....( he has such a good team)
Sorry I was not participating earlier. These damn things are always at dinner time for us!
I did watch and just read your comments. (You did excellent as usual!)
To tell the truth I am a little disappointed. I think that first commercial saved her ass. She was getting more and more worked up, but then the break came and they returned she had obviously had her shot of estrogen and was much calmer. (Stupid commercials!)
By the way Obama's response to the "sky opening" comment was fucking brilliant! "Sounds good, I like her delivery" the man is unflappable!
He was COOOL....
And David Gregory just said that he has a level of COOLNESS...aha...so others have noticed that he is indeed unflappable....and you are right - she was indeed very very hot...and needed a TIME OUT...He looked so Presidential...she again just looked pissed off....
Great live blogging. Sorry I couldn't watch and join you tonight - forgot I had a meeting I had to go to. Glad you summarized it for me!
Good job, Enigma!
I'm too tired tonight for much blogging, so I'll just think about what I saw tonight and add comments tomorrow.
But I will say, I think Barack sounded the most presidential.
The Borg Queen can over as a bitch on wheels.
Hillary adapted Rudy's concentrate on big states, and Rove's 50 + 1% strategy. That is why she is losing.
A small irony is that the Texas GOP reapportioned the state, for an Obama win.
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