Thursday, February 07, 2008

PLEASE BARACK DO NOT DO WEEKLY DEBATES, HILL JUST WANTS FREE AIRTIME AND ADS



Dear Barrack,
Please Please do NOT Give in to Hillary's Requests for Weekly Debates...She is Out of Money for Airtime and Ads.
Please stay involved with THE People, Everywhere you have gone with your Town Halls and reached out to People has been Wonderful for Getting YOUR Messege Out. She will have to figure out another way to get her OWN messege out....on her own.

If you are an Obama Supporter please do go to his website and his blog and Encourage him to remain Strong on this Issue.

Also while there are SUCH Huge Disparities regarding the Primary Issues ( Problems etc. in New Mexico and California) Please think about putting a messege of Reassurance on your Site to let people KNOW that THEIR Votes Count and that You and Your Team Cares and is working on the issues...

PLEASE DO SCROLL DOWN TO THE TWO POSTS DOWN BELOW CONCERNING HILLARYS' FINANCIAL SITUATION....IT IS VERY CONCERNING.

23 comments:

enigma4ever said...

Morning Joe:
Mark Penn Hill's Strategist was on this am- and he was encouraging...aka BEGGING for Obama to DO Weekly Debates....and he just kept spewing and rambling..and he never did explain Hill's $$$$ Problems....

He seemed pretty miffed about the Debates...I really think he wants Face Time for her...and of course NOT the Fox Debate - which got offered the Very First day of ROVE"S new job (( coincidence????) does anyone else wonder if Rover and Penn know each other ?

Christopher said...

E.X.C.E.L.L.E.N.T. P.O.I.N.T!

Gryphen said...

While I am not sure that debating Hillary would hurt Barack, I will agree that it will probably help Hillary. Not because she will seem any more electable, but because it will keep her face on television and possibly encourage people to continue to support her for a longer period of time.

Hillary is trying to grind Obama out of the race, by the use of her name, political connections, and of course Bill.

She is NOT inspirational, but she IS knowledgeable, and that plays well with some who are still questioning Barack's experience.

I also sense some desperation in the Clinton camp. That would usually give me confidence, but I know that the Clinton's are never more dangerous then when they are desperate.

This campaign is going to get even rougher.

an average patriot said...

enigma
Listen to Romney's speech, he is putting his campaign on hold. It is stunning and totally anti Democrat fear mongering. Boy are we in trouble. We have got to unite!

BadTux said...

Why are you afraid to let Obama and Hillary debate the issues? Is it because Obama is all talk and no action? What has Obama actually done?

Oh sure, he talks real purty. But I remember another politician who talked real purty. Who said we needed a foreign policy of humility, not one of arrogance. Who was stridently against intervening in the affairs of other countries. Who said he was compassionate. And enough people got convinced by all that slick talkin' that the vote was close enough for Karl Rove's dirty tricks to get him electorated. Yep, talkin' about George W. Bush in 2000. Hell, he even fooled me a little bit, I voted for Gore, but when Bush got in I said, "well, okay, is it any disaster that a moderate Republican got elected President?"

Thing is, if I'd paid attention to what the man had done, rather than all that slick talkin', I would have known that he was just pullin' one on me. Go read Molly Ivins' book "Shrub" to see what he had actually done. So that's why I ask: What has Obama actually done? Other than vote exactly the same way as Hillary on every issue since he entered the Senate, including war funding?

- Badtux the Action Penguin

enigma4ever said...

Badtux:
You seemed to miss the Bigger Question- WHERE is all of her Money, 100 Million is alot of money ? that is the only reason she wants Debates....IF SHE ALREADY had a Strong People Connection and a Strong Messege she would not NEED Debates...
I am not afraid of anything- My point is that Hill only wants the debates so she can get free airtime,face time.....At this point Time is Prescious....She will have to find her own way to pay for ads. ...WHAT has Barack DONE; you ask- first off you need to WATCH a WHOLE speech of his and he explains HIS life story and WHO he is, and also READ he is two books they really TELL you who he is..He first was a Civil Rights Attorney in Chicago, then he he worked for a small Firm with People that needed Advocacy and Legal help, then he went on to Work as a Legislator for 10 years working to help the people of the Southside of Chicago, then he pursued this on a Broader level and that is when he went to work at a Higher level and ran for Senate.
He also taught Constitutional Law the entire time - he is a Constitutional Lawyer.....we need SOMEONE that Values our Constitution.

WHAT has Hill done ? except be married to Bill is another question you might want to ask Hill ? And She has not done anything illustrious since she has been in DC..No Great Commmittes and No Great Hearings....It is alot MORE this TIME than "Voting Records" it is about CHARACTER...She worked at Poshy Arkanasas Law Firm, made lots of Money- and also served on Walmarts Board....Around the SAME time she met Mark Penn WHO has Illustrious Career as a Lobbyist and Union Buster. ( BTW THIS is the KIND of Person she lets represent her , speak for her? BTW DO WATCH HER WALMART SPEECHS ON YOUTUBE- it is impressive)

Barrack has a Wonderful Life Story that MAKES him WHO he is....watch his speechs on YOUTUBE if you don't have cspan....He is the Real Deal....Self Made Honorable Man...

Patriot:
I have no idea what is up with Romeny- expept he has spent alot of his own money on his own campaign and not been embraced by many in his own party.( Total of Votes for him thus far is about 300,000 across the Country- his Mormon Faith is not embraced by the GOP - but that is not our Problem).

Gryphen:
at this point it is also a time issue- litereally would take 1-2 days away from Barrack a day- keep him off the trail and meeting with the People...it is also ONCE again about her Attempting to Control the Dialogue and it is not Barracks fault that she is broke....Knowledge and being manipulative of knowledge are two different things...

enigma4ever said...

Christopher:
Good that Obama has us Bloggers spreading his messege...

enigma4ever said...

Patriot:
ABout Romney: I did some research.... I wrote about him below....scroll down...he suspended his race- his family wanted to pull out....they were done. He suspended so he can turn his Delegates over to whoever he wants...

D.K. Raed said...

On MSNBC just now, Obama said they might do a primary revote in MI & FL "if there's enough time". I agree! If Howard Dean & the DNC are being pressured to seat delegates from the 2 states where no campaigning was allowed (and in MI's case where only Hill's name appeared on the ballot), then they need to revote NOW.

ok, I'll back up & read comments here.

enigma4ever said...

Dean;
Has been working on the Caucus idea- there is less prep needed and more chance for people to vote and be involved- and there is actually not enough time to prepare ballots etc....and allows all a chance to be involved....( I personally think Michigan and Florida should be redone properly so everyone has a chance to participate in the process properly...and Hiil would have to sacrifice her votes and delegates and start with a clean slate...that would be fair- it is sad because it did hurt Kucinich and Edwards...And I think Richardson- because I think he was still in.....)

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I just heard on CNN that Obama has agreed two more upcoming debates- ONE is IN OHIO....groan...and the Hill Pundit said that the "voters in ohio are ignorant and undereducated- yes she used THAT word" so I am in a foul mood...I can not believe she said that...

Hardball is sitting there spinning saying that Obama should think about being VEEP...oye....He is doing fine....he is not in the Lower Position- and his supporters support him Much More than Hill- he is doing fine on Endorsements and Money...go to her website- she has NO newspaper Endorsements, and NO Money announcements....

BadTux said...

You seem to forget Hillary's record as a public advocacy lawyer, Enigma. She has provided pro bono services for women's and children's rights organizations since 1970 when she was an intern in law school. This service was recognized publically when Jimmy Carter appointed her to head the Legal Services in 1977, which provides legal services to the poor. Later she became a full partner of the Rose Law Firm, where she primarily did pro-bono work in the child advocacy field until the election of Bill Clinton to the Presidency in 1992.

So from a viewpoint of legal advocacy for the poor, both have a fairly identical record, though Hillary's is more distinguished due to its sheer length and its recognition by a sitting President (Jimmy Carter). However, if you think Hillary was simply sitting on her butt baking cookies during her husband's years in the White House... (shrug). And whining at her for not being able to accomplish anything in a Republican-dominated Senate as a freshman Senator... well, you can whine at Obama for the same thing, actually, since as I pointed out, their records in the Senate are pretty much identical.

In short, before Obama's recent dishonest attacks against Hillary's health care plan, I would have had a hard time choosing between the two based on what they've done individually outside of their marriages (as vs. lofty rhetoric, as I've pointed out I disregard lofty rhetoric because I've been there, seen that, 8 years worth, exactly how much lofty rhetoric about being "compassionate" and a foreign policy of "humility" actually means). I eventually chose to support Hillary because a) I do NOT believe she merely sat on her butt baking cookies during her husband's Presidency, and b) her health care plan (modelled on Edwards' with some components of Obama's) covers 100% of Americans while Obama's plan only covers 97% of Americans according to every economist who has worked the numbers on the two plans. Even then, back when Obama was saying that he would go to the individual mandate if it were necessary, I could have honestly supported Obama. It was not until he started spouting Republican talking points to attack Hillary, Republican talking points that basically torpedo the possibility of universal coverage happening if he is elected President, that I started getting peeved with the man.

- Badtux the Economic Penguin

enigma4ever said...

Badtux:
She did no real work- she served on some committees- there is NO official track record of her"work"....She did serve on Walmart's Board and her tapes make it pretty clear that she was a GOOD Board member..and she did nothing to advocate for workers..
( and it was the time period that she met Union Buster Mark Penn)....

She only worked at the Childrens Defense Fund for about 6 monthes- and went to some meetings- there is NO track record of her "work" there....

There is also no track record of Statements from President Carter about her work....

For Now we must agree to disagree....She is the one that is ALL talk- NO substance- sorry....as a woman I am disgusted with her Rovian tactics...and sad...I wanted a Better Woman Candidate- she would be nothing without her NAME....and anyone supporting her- should be very very nervous- HOW involved will Bill be in her presidency ?

She should not be allowed to take credit for her husbands career...that is not right.....and she always says "We did this in the 90's" , She was not the Leader - she was his wife. She was a good First lady- that does not mean she is meant to be President.....

thank you for your time Badtux....But as a woman- I know when I see a Fake, and Shrill tactics, Inflated resumes, and Fake tears do not speak to Leadership Skills or Ingegrity....

And Obama's Books are HIM...they tell his story and WHO he is as a Man....In the Sixties atleast People recognized Greatness when they came upon it, and today Millions across the Country are recognizing Obama for WHO and What he is....Our Next President.

enigma4ever said...

Patriot:
I did some more checking and research on the Romeny issue- he is planning to run again- but NOT now- in 2012....
phew....

he still will have to decide what to do about his Delegates...so that will be interesting...

enigma4ever said...

Quick Hill Piggy Bank Update:
She donated 5 Million in the last 2 weeks before Super Tuesday ..
Questions:
(1) So HOW LONG has she been out of money?
she said that she donated for January= the 13 Million Month- that means that indeed she was down to 8 mill- and her 5 makes it 13.....it is ALL about the Math- and fudging the Numbers...

(2) Was it her money or Bill's? or the Clinton Foundation's ? ( as someone who gave to the Foundation because of their AIDS work in Africa- I want to know)

(3)as of 7am today..Mark Penn implied Everybody was willing donating their time..and that they had gotten 2milion in donations in past 24 hours..
BTW he gets paid Millions to work for her...and there is a Lobbying Firm and a PR company....

(4) I am not comfortable with Candidates Donating Money to their own Campaigns- Rudy and Romeny did it too....it is a sign that they lack support....

(5) Her tax returns last year as a Senator I don't remember her having millions in the Bank....

this matters, because it is about her ability to manage Resources and Staff and Messege and Money.....

Gryphen said...

I just posted about the fact that Hillary cannot beat McCain.

Now that we know who the Republican nominee will be I think that it is important for us to start focusing on which candidate has the best chance against him.

I have already seen Hillary talking about how SHE is the best choice to beat him but that is false.

However Obama can take him out almost without raising a sweat.

BadTux said...

Hmm...

(puts on John McCain's hat, tries to figure out what McCain's next move will be...)

Well, did you know that Obama's middle name is Hussein, just like Saddam Hussein? And that he's a radical Islamic who went to school at a madrassa and got sworn in on an Islamic bible when he got elected to the Senate, rather than a Christian bible? Did you know that his father was a notorious terrorist?

Clearly Osama oops Obama is a dangerous Islamic terrorist and not fit to be President...

(takes McCain hat off).

Sadly, there are a lot of people who *want* to believe the above nonsense, and thus will. Like my property manager back in Louisiana. The one who called me way upset because one of my tenants wanted her black boyfriend to move in with her. I asked him, "does the boyfriend do drugs?" "Uhm, no." "Does he have a criminal record?" "Uhm, no." "So what's the problem?" "But she's WHITE, and he's BLACK!" "So? Add him to the lease." But my property manager is the kind of person who wouldn't vote against Obama just because he's black, but if given a plausible excuse why Obama is unacceptable, might decide to believe it as an excuse to not vote for him. On the other hand, I doubt he would vote for Hillary either. So really, I think the whole electability thing is a wash.

The campaign ain't even begun yet. McCain learned from South Carolina back in 2000. What he learned is that lies told about a candidate -- such as the lie that McCain had sex with a black woman that resulted in a mixed-race child out of wedlock -- can be a powerful tool to use in elections. And expect McCain to pull out every seemingly plausible lie in the book now about Obama, similar to the lies that Hillary has been faced with for 14 years now from the Never Right Wing. The only question here is whether Obama is going to have enough time to come out on top of all those lies, or will be buried in so many lies that the American public doesn't know what to think and votes for his opponent instead. With Hillary, we already know all the lies they'll use. I mean, they already accused her of murder, for cryin' out loud! With Obama... well, we'll see.

In the end, I'm voting for whoever the Democratic candidate is in the fall, and am not particularly happy with either of the current Democratic candidates (alas, Kucinich never got any traction). I just don't think whoever this candidate is will get a free pass from the Never Right Wing, which will pull out any seemingly plausible lie or slur to get McCain elected. I predict that we'll have another one of those 49%/51% elections like the last two -- and I can't promise that the Democrat (whoever he or she is) will be the one with the 51%, or, if having that 51%, will also have enough electoral votes to make it in. Things are about to get *dirty*, folks...

enigma4ever said...

Badtux:
I am sorry about Kucunich he is a good man...but his messege did not have traction.....

I think Gryohen above is right we need to Focus on how to get the Winning Candidate to run- and that is Not Hillary- she will have NO traction against McCain....in most of the states that McCain won- Obama won- I think ( I think there are 2 states I need to recheck)....

I think it is important to note that Neoconal "TerraMongers" are outnumbered 2:1 in the primaries...and that is a HUGE shift that has been going on as Iraq gets worse and worse- but it still is going to require much focus...and we can not be fighting each other if we want McCain to Lose...

Sadly the DEMS don't want him to run...and only about a Third of his party want him....so we need to THINK Change and Progress and defeat the Neocons that are obsessed with "war+ terra mongering"....

And sadly Hill is hated enough to Unite the Repugs...and that worries me...

that is why we must unite and work together....for Change....

BadTux said...

I'm just remembering 2004. Around this time, people like you were hot for John Kerry. I mean, the man is a genuine war hero. Got the medals to prove it.

By the time the right wing slime machine was finished with Kerry, 51% of Americans were convinced Kerry was a coward and a fake. And if they can do that to a good brave man like Kerry who has the *medals* to back up his courage... I mean, okay, sure, Obama is a lot slicker than the rather wooden Kerry was, but my point is that whoever gets the nomination, it's going to get ugly, ugly, ugly -- and don't be surprised if 51% of Americans decide to believe the lies. Like I said gloomily in October 2004 when asked by a co-worker who was going to win the election, I was hoping for Kerry, but if I was a betting man I would bet on Bush, because of two simple statistics: 50% of Americans are below average and thus can be easily fooled into believing lies like the lies that were being told about Kerry, and 1% of the population actually benefits from Bush's policies. 50%+1%=51%. And so it was.

- Badtux the Math Penguin

enigma4ever said...

Badtux:
I for one was a Edwards supporter...and sure when Kerry brought him on the ticket I did what I could .....but the bottem line is that He just not have enough fight in him....it was doomed and to this day I think most of us think there was a Rove Tactic used to change the Vote....( ahem Ohio)....I don't think that Hill can win against McCain...I also think she is not a good enough fighter...we need someone who talks to the People, connects to them...and can understand how people fight Dirty....( He worked on the Southside of Chicago.....he gets it....and he plays Poker...and he is a thinker and Hill is shrill and manipulative and the crying- and she has some BIG skeletons in her closet- she is NOT what we should have up against the Repugs....She is not the RIGHT person...she is just a name...and a name they hate- this is NOT a smart move...)

It is about Breaking FREE of the Standard DC Game...we need to Change the RULEs on the Repugs.....we need a whole NEW Chessboard....

BadTux said...

Hillary doesn't know how to fight dirty? Riiiight. Pull the other flipper :-).

Frankly, I'm not a fan of either of the candidates remaining in the Democratic race. Hillary is uninspiring, and Obama... well, frankly, I gotta be blunt here. Obama is a shyster. I don't trust the man. He's too slick. Lying about his health care plan (and he *has* to be lying, because his health care consultant was the same person who advised both Edwards and Hillary, and *told* Obama that without the mandate it won't work) just sorta sealed the deal to me.

So after Kucinich then Edwards exited the race it's flip a coin time, and as much as I dislike Hillary as a person, at least she was honest about what it takes to get universal coverage with a Swiss-style system. In the end I'll vote for whoever gets the nomination. But I'm not inspired by either, to tell you the truth.

- Badtux the Cynical Penguin

enigma4ever said...

I am sorry Badtux- but we will just have to disagree....I don't think you really have given Obama a chance- or even watched a WHOLE speech on Cspan...I am a big MLK and RFK and JFK person...for me it is about recognizing Greatness...as it really is..I have been waiting since the 1960's, please read my post of Jan 7th....you would GET IT....

and Since you didn 't even bother to read my healthcare post I will let you believe what Hillary has been spoonfeeding the Masses...the California Nurses Assoication calls her Plan a Fraud....and I think they KNOW what they are talking about in taking care of Mass NUmbers of people....

But if it is Barrack you might have to decide what to do.....I mean you don't want McCain do you?

( BTW at this point millions are cynical....that is the only way to survive Bush....so I would never have a problem with that....)

Signed:
The Pissed Off Fed Up Nurse...I need Change LIKE yesterday...( and yes....I am not a patient woman..)

BadTux said...

I am aware of what the California Nurses Association is saying. But there is only one health care plan that the California Nurses Association supports, and that's single-payer. They've gotten single-payer passed each of the past two years in the California legislature and it was vetoed both times by the Governator. Nationwide, it isn't happening. The Swiss system (which is what Edwards, Obama, and Hillary all are cloning) seems to be the best we can do here.

If you think Obama has awe-inspiring oratory, you obviously were not born in the South and experienced a real black preacher man. After a while, all that pretty speechifyin' loses its effect on you. Obama is good. But I've seen better.

Regarding Obama vs. McCain, there's no calculation needed in my choice there. Obama is intelligent and competent and we've had *more* than enough of Republican incompetence these past eight years, thank you. As I said, I vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination, period. I just get irritated with folks who let pretty speechifyin' distract them from, like, facts. Done had plenty 'nuff pretty speechifyin' in my lifetime, thank you kindly, now all I say when I see it is, "where's the beef?".

- Badtux the not-so-pretty Penguin

Fran said...

Debates: Sure let's have them- but for God's sake, can we have them on PUBLIC airwaves & not pay per view TV?
Let's take the debates out of the hands of total jackass clowns, like Wolfie & the like, and get an intelligent moderator.
And enough of going over alloted time & prattling on.... I'd kind of like the idea of when the *time's up * buzzer goes off, your microphone is cut off.
Stop running over, and running off the whole
scheduled time thing, and stop the bicker banter crap. Lay out your platform & get specific. I prefer Obama, but we need change & yes we can is running a bit shallow.... let's get to specifics & lets have some tough questions about war & gitmo & the economy & education & funding. what will become of the patriot act, and the wiretapping, and the torture & the broken laws of the geneva conventions. There is a lot of hashing out who did what & with whom in the past-- but we are going forward & we need more details about future plans. Nukes. the environment, Energy, Military, Iraq, Afghanistan (the other war).....

Put on a debate, so it can be seen by all, and with a professional moderator. Once every 6 weeks sounds good. And cut the bogus questions... like diamonds or pearls.