Tuesday, March 25, 2008

IT'S NOT PRESIDENTIAL TO LIE, HILLARY LAID AN EGG, SHE LIED ABOUT HER "EXPERIENCE"


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"Truth Exists,Only Falsehood has to Be Invented." George Braque
"There are Three kinds of Lies, Damned Lies, Lies about Lies, and Statistics". Mark Twain

Let's Be REAL clear about this, Hillary LIED about SOMETHING that is VERY Important, she has been on the road spouting about her Experience. Telling this VERY tall tale about her Experience, which she has tried to paint her Foreign Experience as more than Tea Tours.She "Spoke" This Lie in Prepared Written Taped Speech on Multiple Occasions to large Crowds on the Campaign Trail.. She Repeatedly told This "Brave" Story about how she traveled to Bosnia and Dodged Sniper Fire, and HOW DANGEROUS it was. Let's be really clear, it was not Sniper Fire, she traveled on USO tour with Cheryl Crowe, Her teenage daughter, and SINBAD, and she was warmly welcomed at a very safe airport. There were No Snipers or Sniper Fire, there was a little girl with Flowers and a Poem....and there is indeed Film Footage that contadicts her "Mistatement". This more than a Mistaken Memory Moment, this is a Bold Faced Fictionalized Lie.

And NOW she is Lying about lying, trying to say it was NO BIG deal, she Just "misspoke". NO, she LIED. After EIGHT long Years of Bush Lies, haven't we had Enough, and can't we see a LIE for what it is ? She Lied about Danger, about Foreign Experience. So Does She have Memory Problems ? or does she like to Fictionalize the Events to make Herself Look Heroic ? It doesn't matter, Lies Stink.....Like Fish that laid in the sun for 3 days, I don't like How it Smells...and It is a Smell that is Not going away, and By November it is a Stinking Rotted Fish of a Lie that will be served to the DEMS Again by the Repugs.

ALL of her Speechs she has spoken about her Trips and Her Experience or Efforts as First Lady. MOST of the work she did, is written about in her Book. Including this Trip, she documented it differently in her own book ( there was no sniper fire, and there was a little girl with a poem on the tarmac). Also in the Book, there is a nice Tea with Some Women In Ireland.....No Peace Talks....Her Speechs are Different that what She Wrote in her own book......WHY is she NOW lying about her Experience ?

Lying is NOT Presidential. Period.

*{"Laid An Egg" was an expression my grandmother used when someone told a Whopper of a lie.I hope the Connotation was taken in that context.}*

30 comments:

D.K. Raed said...

She lied! What else has she got? This is her foreign "experience". And you're right, it does stink like 3-day old fish!

I'm sure she did it for the effect, to puff herself up. I don't think she has memory issues (a la McLame).

But something tickles the back of my mind of an *ACTUAL* event similar to what she described happening to her. It happened to Madeleine Albright (then Sec State) traveling into that Balkan area. There were shots, she did duck & they rushed her off a busy sidewalk into a limo & whisked her away. This is not something I read later, I saw it live on TV at the time. What bothers me is Albright's true experience is so close to what Hillary described happening to herself. hmmmm, isn't the inability to tell the difference between someone else's story and your own experience one of the first signs of a schizophrenia? I'm just sayin' ...

enigma4ever said...

DK:
I have pondered the same thing...and to be honest I don't know if she has just made this story to Fluff herself up....Create an Image for Herself- that is NOT Real...I would let the MSM pound this story- but they are a bunch of chickenshits...and it will be handled like sticky chipped china...

So I am blogging it....I am tired of the Queen of Tirades being treated like an Entitled Empress....as a Woman I am tired of it...and tired of the Friggin' Pundits saying that "Women still Support Her in Droves"...really ? where? Not in my neighborhood.....

jus' sayin'.....

Christopher said...

Miss Thing told a whopper.

Who among us could forget landing at an airport that was under enemy sniper fire, requiring you to run, don't walk, with your head down, to the safety of a hanger?

Only to learn the "enemy" waiting to greet the Borg Queen is a nine year old Bosnian girl with flowers?

Jesus Christ, the video showed Hillary so relaxed that she was almost voguing with US soldiers and Princess Chelsea was doing yoga stretches on the tarmac.

Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire.

D.K. Raed said...

Enigma, I HATE that "woman support her in droves" drivel. Not in MY neighborhood either. Hah! I hate to tell you who they ARE supporting since their darling Mitt scampered away.

Hillary is as unreal as Nancy Pelosi's wrinkleless face or Sam Donaldson's toupee. I wish she'd just go ahead & get the boob job & leave us alone.

Christopher, you are killing me with "pantsuit on fire"!

Christopher said...

DK,

I have to email you!

Palm Springs/Cathedral City Q&A.

enigma4ever said...

Thank You DK....
I too am FED UP...I know she claims to have Abestos Pantuits- but I am with Christopher...her pantsuits are on Fire...She lied- A BIGass Lie...

People here have even taken their Hillary signs off their lawn....I find that interesting....

Christopher....
Yup... it is NOT a small lie...as someone that has faced Some Real Danger..( story for another time).....I makes my blood boil....But we have it all now don't we....FAKE tears and Fake Heroic Moments......as a Woman it is damned embarrassing to have her Ripping this party OUR party apart....
I was trying to maintain some dignity - but this week she has crossed into a territory that is Inexcusable.....disgusting.... Shameful.

D.K. Raed said...

Christopher, email me anytime. I am here stuck in my tax dungeon for awhile. Cat City used to be strictly lowrent, but is now all cleaned up & nice. It's a short commute from there to DRMC.

Enigma, I have lost my dignity when it comes to Hill (hence my boob job comment). It's one thing for her to be all tough & scrappy, it's another for her to face reality. She's NOT ready for prime time! I'm afraid her fighter instinct is gonna take us all down the McLane.

enigma4ever said...

Hey Dk...
You and I both hit the Dignity Wall of Shame at the Same time...she has sunk to a new Low.....It has been LOW Hurdles for her, the MLK Statement ( WHICH she said and she said FIRST), and it has been a week by week Cruise to Hell, as her Campaign Bus has veered further and further Off Course....It is Broken Campaign at this point- she will will say and DO Anything to Get the Presidency for Herself....It has become a Egomanical Self Serving Quest....

Well, one thing is for sure- we KNEW that Bill was a Good Liar...and NOW we KNOW that she is one as well.....the perfect marriage...

As a Woman I am SICK of it- had it...decided that I am not going to sit here silent and feed her bloated ego....Others are "boycotting", that is fine for them- not for me.....

I was not silent about Bush Lies...and I won't be polite about this....

LydiaCornell said...

Love this quote: "Truth Exists,Only Falsehood has to Be Invented." George Braque
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Truth has actual tangible substance. It exists in the universe.

That's why the liars in power (Bush & Cheney and their clone McCain) have no real power. Their lies are unraveling and truth will win of course.

As Obama's purity and truth will win. I wrote this in today's post: "Obama’s luster may seem to have worn off temporarily, but the truth is often in the spaces — in the time between."

It's our job not to panic, or to throw stones. Obama never needs to retaliate or attack Hillary and we don't either. The truth speaks without any words.
xoxo

enigma4ever said...

Lydia:
Hey there...I have tried hard to not go negative here...BUT this really crossed a line with me, partly because of Bush's lies have hurt Sooooo many...but also on another note....as a woman I have faced Danger- Death Threats and Real Retaliation worse to testify at EPA hearings ( ACTUALLY under Bill Clintons' Leadership in 2000)....So to have Someone , Anyone trivialize or exploit false glories really disturbs me- it is Something that I can not ignore...It matters in a very big way....Especially after All we have been through...

So I don't feel like I have been too harsh here- I do think it was TOO BIG a LIE she told...and that is what is disturbing...she did not even have to do it...

She has done other things , I stayed silent....But this Touchs a Place in Me,and My History....that I Can not be silent...especially as a woman...

On another Note I know that everything you said is true- that Obama does indeed have Dignity and Truth and Honor .......

I hope you understand....

Gryphen said...

Damn it! Damn it! Damn it!

Well the first thing I have to tell you Enigma is to ignore the e-mail i just sent you. I did not visit here first and thought you may not have been sufficiently incensed over this Hillary lie. I stand corrected.

You also called her out as a liar just like I did. There is NO way she can refer to this as "misspeaking", either you raced from a plane wearing bulletproof vests and dodging bullets or you didn't. She didn't!

However I did just post about an Ohio recount that may vindicate me a little bit.

Wait, what did d.k. say? Sam Donaldson has a toupee? Those Pelosi sweater puppies are not real?

My God if this keeps up I am going to lose all faith in humanity! The next thing you are going to tell me is that Alex Trebek does not have all of those Jeopardy answers memorized.

John Good said...

On top of her lies about the Bosnia trip, today she had the nerve to finally weigh in on the Rev.Wright thing after nary a word since it broke. Pure political posturing; an attempt to change the subject after spending the last 48 hours trapped in a negative news story.

Go for it, Hill - we know all about YOUR church. . .

Josie said...

I'm still trying to figure out why she did that. What was the advantage to her? Didn't she know she could get caught and it would backfire on her?

enigma4ever said...

Josie:
She is doing Whatever she can? Kitchen Sink Strategy ? I have no answer....I don't think there is ever a good reason to Lie....about Something So Important...

John Good:
I just think she need a Distraction...how perfect- attack Obama when it is Easter, he already gave a great speech addressing it , and he is out of the Country.....really tacky....petty...So is everybody sick of it yet ?

( I guess she doesn't understand that people join CHurchs and Temples to worship....and pray and it is a Community...haven't any of us gone to a CHurch where we didn't agree with the minister ? I know I have...it didn't mean that I left or condemned the minister...it just meant that I listened harder and thought more and prayed more.....and this is America- what happened to Religous Freedom...so now anytime Obama goes to Church is Hillary going to judge him? what gave her that Right?......okay I am rambling...)

enigma4ever said...

Grphen:
She lied...BIG Time.....( laying an egg is an expression used by grandmother.....for really BIG LIE)....

and yeah, it pissed me off.....and I am glad to see the Media give it Some Attention...but let's see HOW LONG they will focus on it- or will they give it a Blind Eye in 2 days....

thanks for blogging it and also commenting here- it will of Course be up to Bloggers to Keep the Truth Flowing.....Just like we did with Bush all these years...

Christopher said...

There's a disturbing pattern of lying that is emerging with the Borg Queen.

I will have a new thread up on the subject tomorrow.

I think and I believe Hillary Clinton isn't fit to be president.

enigma4ever said...

I don't understand WHY she lied..she did not have to....actually she wrote about going to Bosnia...p342-343 ( 341-346 ) of her Book....

( Contrary to what people think, that I give Obama too much airtime, I have read ALL their books...Hill, and Bill both...and John Kerry's even....)

I don't know why.....

enigma4ever said...

oooops I meant to finish my Question and also what alot of people are asking WHY did she lie???

thepoetryman said...

Saddest thing of all, perhaps tragic in the Hamletian sense, is that Chelsea backed up her mothers story...Doesn't Hillary know about the advent of (video) You Tube? Chelsea is being groomed for a political life of her own it seems.

enigma4ever said...

I don't get why Chelsea backed her up- it is right in her book....I would remember Sniper Fire - no problem- it is not something to be Fuzzy about....

Blueberry said...

Being sleep-deprived is her latest excuse for making up this fantasy. How does this make her qualified for the 3AM phone calls? Those deprive sleep.

Scary.

D.K. Raed said...

It's also strange that Hillary remembers little details, like the little girl's precise age, the color of her hair, but she *forgets* she wasn't under sniper fire or ducking down to get to safety? This is NOT "misspeaking", this is willful misrepresentation of the facts (otherwise known as lying). If she would outright lie about this, she would lie to us about anything. I've had enough lies!

What is Chelsea's deal? Surely she must have some firm personal memory and know the diff between being told of the procedures they would follow IF they were under sniper fire VX that they didn't have to follow those procedures because they were NOT under sniper fire?

I still think Hillary has been talking with M. Albright, listening to her TRUE stories ... and realizing how powerful they were, how they grab an audience's attn, she decided to use a similar one for herself.

SHAMELESS!

ps, similar to your grandma, my mom would say "a big fat goose egg", meaning "zero", which is what is at the core of Hillary's claim of foreign policy. experience.

LydiaCornell said...

Yes I agree with you Enigma, the LIE was wrong, stupid, idiotic. But I am writing a book about some wild things that happened in my past, and my memory tends to focus on the most extreme things, the danger i was in. For example I went to Beirut and the Marines picked us up in a blackout because of the war. We were told we were driving through mine fields. They wanted us to take extra precautions and not speak or light a match in the dark, so they may have over-exaggerated the conditions of flying into a war zone. Whenever you remember your past, as all memoir writers have to do, it's human nature to unconsciously magnify the high points, fears, thrills and danger. It is always magnified in our memory. That's how we process our experiences.

My sister has distinctly different memories of certain arguments in our home -- I thought I was dying, she thought is was nothing.

I am not defending Hillary, just the pile on.

And I also agree with you about her war vote and Iran Guard vote though. Hillary should step out now. Only Obama can lead us to a sure victory.

Peace

LydiaCornell said...

And also, "flying into a war zone" when people are telling you the plane can be shot down (as they told me when I flew into a war zone) can later be processed as flying into a war zone under sniper fire.

It is all how you process your fear before the event or non-event. Hillary always puts on a happy, relaxed face, but that doesn't mean she wasn't told they were flying into sniper fire.

enigma4ever said...

Lydia:
Hey there.....well, I am sure your memoir will be interesting, and well written, and we all know that you are a wonderful writer.....It is a funny thing about Writing....It is about the ability to Tell a Story- a good story tells itself...and even the details fall into place- there is no need to even embellish....You as a writer- know this- I have never seen embellishment in your stories, or on your blog- When you write your memoirs- I am sure that you are remembering what matters...even in the dangerous parts...

But as a writer there is a sense of intergrity- a code- that as part of telling one's story...you don't alter the details to make the story better...you know this...and are trying to honor it....It is about honoring the Past and Others involved....and honoring your own history....

Here is what really bothered me- she wrote her book, and the story was different in her own book...I even thought I don't remember her flying into sniper Fire ( which btw who would do THAT with their child ? and would the Military ever put her and Chelsea at such risk?) If Her Experience is sooo Right to Be President- WHY alter the story ? WHY? It makes no sense....

It was HOW the story was told, almost jokingly, dismissively, and "I am Tough, Look what I did" humor....and then when she had to explain the Inaccuracies the other day- she was again dismissive " Get over it , I am human, I misspoke"....( The problem being she was using this story as part her stomp speech....Pre-written and scripted....for weeks)....And yet Reporters, and even military knew that it was not true and tried to contact her campaign about it....

It is one thing to make an error, another to tell a tale wilfuly, knowingly that has Fabricated parts...

Again for me....it is about Lying as a Leader....it is a serious issue....a matter of Integrity....

Peace friend....( Keep Writing....)

DK:
I don't have any of Madeline's Books- But I have seen her interviewed and she does have great stories...really wonderful...and I do think there might be some blurring of events and stories....I also do know that most of Hillary's First Lady History is in her book....and things are not matching- about Ireland, Nafta, and China etc etc...

Blueberry:
wow...the 3am phone call issue- good point....I did hear her say that she is Human- and was rather snippy about it...but sadly there is no good reason for telling such a lie(s) in her speechs...none.....

LydiaCornell said...

You're right Enigma, I didn't know all those details, and you are right about Hillary's lie. I didn't realize she wrote a different version in her book, and you're right it was absurd, dangerous, and bizarre actually!

I just wish all Progressives would stop attacking each other and keep our eye on the big picture: THE SUPREME COURT.

We have to elect a Democrat and both of our candidates would work for blue collar workers, health care, labor, veterans... and progressive Supreme "Court judges.

We have to stop tearing each other apart and realize WE CANNOT LET McCAIN steal this election, which he might because of the independent vote.

Remember, the average citizen doesn't know what we know: all the crimes of the Bush administration. They don't have access to alternative media. They don't pay attention or read between the lines.

I hate the way our party is turning in on itself with all this bickering over semantics, "he-said, she-said" and fake racism. We have to stop it. Our thoughts create our reality and the more we tear each candidate down (even with our subconscious anger) the more the term "divided we fall" becomes a reality.

enigma4ever said...

Lydia:
We have so much to focus on...the Supreme Court....McCain...the WAR....the VETS and their families...the Economy...the Housing issue/mess, the Jobs and Banking problems..healthcare and 49 million without insurance and health care....Okay I could go on and on..also we have to get more elected dems into the Senate and Congress...we have a chance to bring REAL change to so many levels.....but we have other forces feeding a negative battle, this is our chance to UNIFY on so many levels...

We also can not lose focus...I have tried hard to blog all of this with some dignity...some sense of WHO we are and where we need to go....What is really sad, I used to like the Clintons...I now feel like I don't know them, or know who they are..... at all..I also worry they will do anything to win...but at this point I also worry is McCain being given ammunitition against Obama....how does that help....and WHO? .....no one....
I have said this before..I am sad that all of this is going on...

But you are right ... we have a country to save....and we do need to come together...and Unite....we only get one chance to do this.....

thanks again....don't worry... we are on the same page.....

( I rarely blog about her...I mostly blog about ISSUES..what matters...and how do we fix this...repair....and yes Unite..)

LydiaCornell said...

I'm just praying the superdelegates make the decision to put Obama in, so we can move forward to putting McCain out of business.

What bothers me are the people who say they won't vote for the Democratic candidate if their candidate doesn't get the nomination. That's suicide.

In the 12 step program, there is a wonderful saying "Principles before personalities" meaning we can't get into hero-worship or Messiah worship. All humans have feet of clay. No human being can live up to being worshipped. I'm sure Obama is as human as anyone, and we don't want to act like we'll die if he doesn't get elected.

But what I love about Obama is that he seems ego-less. He seems the closest to an enlightened soul and doesn't need to muck about in the petty fear-based realm of backstabbing the other candidate. He sticks to the issues.

We should stick to the issues and rise above all this crap the media loves to focus on if we want to put him in office.

The media has us engaging in a high-school popularity contest and tit-for-tat, and we are falling for it. Meanwhile, we may lose everthing. Simply refuse to put any of our candidates down. That's how we will win. That is our moral obligation.

LydiaCornell said...

Oh, I didn't see your post in between.
No worries, Enigma. I love what you write and all that you stand for, and I feel the pain we are all in over this.

But I can't picture McCain winning. No way.

I do see Obama winning, very clearly.

enigma4ever said...

Lydia:
I hope and pray that you are right..that Obama does win, I think many of us are worried, because the Clintons have said that they will work the back rooms, the superdelegates, whatever it takes- when people that worked volunteered, and made phone calls, and etc...and VOTED...they are confused ....because then it seems all for naught?

To be honest I have said that I don't know if I can vote for Hillary ( if she were chosen to be the candidate) ....It is not out of spite...and it is the first time in MANY years I have said I don't know if I can vote for someone that has issues regarding Integrity.....Honor..Honesty....being lacking....I have never ever voted for someone that I don't trust or believe in.....

the Clintons have me very confused...I have read both of them, their books ( yes ALL) and followed their careers....for a long time....

BUT I do believe that McCain must be denied the Whitehouse...( and WHY is Bill complimenting McCain on the Trail - every speech- thank you cspan....) WHAT is that about- it makes me uncomfortable....?

Anyways....Obama has brought MANY new people to the DEM party and the Voting process, 100's of 1000s.....and 2 million donors- most still having given under 200 dollars, so they can keep giving and supporting....he has won more states, more delegates, and more voters ( a good amount)....So I am hopeful that he can Unite and WIN in Red States....BIG red states....I have no illuisons or hero worship of him....but his two books really did speak to me- exactly about what you said- ABOUT PRINCIPLES....that matters.... ( Principles before Personality- that says it all doesn't it ?)

Thank you for sharing and always keeping the dialogue open and flowing....

Namaste....