Tuesday, October 07, 2008

Final Debate Thread and Post Mortem...( McCoot called Obama "THAT ONE???" What the hell???)


TRANSCRIPT OFF THE DEBATE - CLICK THE TITLE....

68 comments:

HelenWheels said...

Hellloooo! First?

Kellybelle said...

Good point Barack!

tom said...

clear win, loved that cost benefit analysis line
we win

Kellybelle said...

Michelle! I love their love.

enigma4ever said...

If they banned McInsane from saying
My Friends and Stinking Corpse this would be almost bearable....almost...yuck...

(NH has gone Obama ....news for you Tom...)

Mauigirl said...

Interesting question, What don't you know and how will you learn it?

HelenWheels said...

Yeah and you just know Michelle is a GREAT woman behind a great man. Her speech killed me at the DNC. I adore that woman.

enigma4ever said...

Kelly - me2...they are most beautiful couple...wow...so inspiring...

HelenWheels said...

Obama should have said "I don't know how to fail."

Mauigirl said...

I love their relationship, they really seem to be a great couple.

I hate to admit, Obama didn't really answer the question though!

Kellybelle said...

Helen: She brought me back into the Party. I was thinking about switching to the other side. I know I know. That's why I canvass.

enigma4ever said...

the graph nosedived when Coot stood up...and now it rose???I don;t believe that...

Mauigirl said...

Good, McCain didn't either. They're both using the opportunity to kind of sum up.

HelenWheels said...

Uh oh... "what I don't know is that I'm a wrinkled old boring Mr. Burns-like corpse who helped bring on all the tragedies playing upon the American stage today. Thank you and good night. Dither, dither..."

Kellybelle said...

Did you know he was a POW?

HelenWheels said...

Here it comes:POW.

HelenWheels said...

Hey, mauigirl, it worked for Mooselini! Ignore those damn pesky questions, dontcha know! *wink*

Kellybelle said...

You guys rock. I cdn't get through it without you. Next time, no beer. I can't type!

enigma4ever said...

Kelly- did you see Michelle when she was here??? she was amazing....and you are right seeing and hearing here can be such an experience..

Finally it is done.....Obama is very smooth...so thoughtful and good job.....and POOF where did the Candidates go???

there is Michelle in red..looking so classy...

Mauigirl said...

That was pretty funny when both of them were blocking Brokaw's view of the teleprompter!

HelenWheels said...

Really, Kellybelle? Were you actually going to vote for the Dark Side? Or third party? Actually I was going to vote for Cynthia McKinney. But then I found out McLame's voting record against woman's reproductive choice & equal pay and then the capper was Palin, who I hate with a white-hot loathing.

enigma4ever said...

Thanks Kelly we love you ...you are so dead on when you type- and next time I NEED beer...wow...take care..

Thank you ALL for being here...without your humor and insight...my head might explode..

HelenWheels said...

Curiously, Chardonnay helps me type! Can't figure out why! I might stagger or slur, but the typing won't show it!

Mauigirl said...

Thank you, as always, Enigma, for being such a good host!

We're on MSNBC - will watch Olbermann afterwards, assume he will sum it all up.

HelenWheels said...

OH Tweety! I can't believe you said something relevant! Yes what the fuck was the treasury secretary question w/ Brokaw? I'm thinking just becomign buddy/buddy early on.

enigma4ever said...

thank you ALL for being here...I am really greatful for all of your thoughts and humor....you are the best....such wisdom and such smarts .....you rock !!!!

enigma4ever said...

yeah...what was that about NOT YOU TOM????what was that ????

Alien Citizen said...

Thanks for hosting again Enigma. I'm also watching Msnbc. What was with that jab at Tom Brokaw about not choosing him for secretary of the treasury? I know he has a twisted sense of humor but did McPain think that was funny? hmph.

enigma4ever said...

okay...this is a girl question...is Michelle Pregnant???? she looks thicker? I am not trying to rumor here...but she looks different...

enigma4ever said...

Hey Alien ..good to see you....I have NO idea what that was....

HelenWheels said...

That kid sitting next to the lady in the plaid dress looks like a young John Hinkley and was frowning at Obama. THat makes me nervous!

OH JUST WOULD YOU LOOK at my paranoia anymore!!

HelenWheels said...

Michelle definitely got a nice curvacious bod, that's for sure. Hard to tell, Enigma. I don't watch her close enough in general. She looks awesome in red.

Mauigirl said...

Interesting that McCain left and Obama and Michelle are still working the crowd. They're getting a lot more airtime on TV.

HelenWheels said...

HA HA!!! What a fucking surprise, Pat Puke-Anon thinks McSame won again. He's such an out-of-touch FAILURE and wrong all the time. Why do they allow him on TV?? Of course he would like McCOot's shitty performance.

OH again: Did what he came to do.

Is that all we should expect from a president??

STFU, Pat.

HelenWheels said...

McLame has to go lie down and soak his feet.

Gryphen said...

I missed the whole freaking thing!

My daughter called and just wanted to talk. I told her that in a choice between talking to her or watching the Presidential debate she would always be the winner, but I still am going to have to watch it again.

Oh well.

HelenWheels said...

Yeah that was not smart of McSame. Totally makes Obama look like the winner, since he stuck around. Obama looks happy, he knows he did well.

Mauigirl said...

I think for Pat Buchanan, the positive things he had to admit about Obama are equivalent to admitting Obama actually won. He just can't say it outright.

Fran said...

Thanks E ~" my friend" for hosting.

tom said...

waiting for tomorrows polls
but I think we won, (really) and NO DEAL changer for McSame

HelenWheels said...

YES, thank you, Enigma! What fun :)

Hairball said...

Michelle Obama was born January 17, 1964 (according to Wikipedia) which makes her 44. It's within the realm of possibility for her to be pregnant. *If* she is, I admire that she hasn't publicized it for political gain.

HelenWheels said...

Tom, I totally agree!

Anon-Paranoid said...

Obama wins hands down.

Good night my sweet rose and ...

God Bless.

enigma4ever said...

thanks All::
Tom: yup....McInsane did NOT do well..at all..

Fran::
thank you so much....my friend ;-)

Maui and Helen::
Pat Puke-anon..is So Out of touch....and he is ALWAYS wrong..always...

thank you again...

Do you think the polls will show HOW well Obama did ???

enigma4ever said...

thanks AnonP...
you are always welcome...and btw I did post about the SS contact information below...thanks for being here...

enigma4ever said...

gryphen ::

You daughter always comes first..always....you know that ;-)

HelenWheels said...

Is it just me or does Tweety suddenly look 15 years older?? Jeez! Bad lights...?

HelenWheels said...

OK: I just have to laugh. They keep saying McLame was the aggressor, and that he did "well" only to then point out all the great stuff Obama did right and HOW HE LOOKED PRESIDENTIAL.

So, isn't that WINNING?

Uh oh... Keith is already killing him... later!!

enigma4ever said...

Coot couldn't sit - maybe his depends were creeping on him...

gonna watch Keith,...and the Daily Show...thanks again....

Dean Wormer said...

thanks for hosting enigma.

I agree with helen that Obama looked like the president.

McCain... not so much.

HAPPY IN NEVADA said...

Hi - just thought I'd live the list of fact-checking that was just published on the debate. Interesting to listen to the people who call in.

Poor old McCain, he's just so caught up in his 'loop' ... and he's always so snide; constantly making cutting (and unnecessary) remarks.

Anyway, here's the list you might like to look over:

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By Matt Kelley and Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
A look at some of the claims made by presidential nominees Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain in Tuesday night's debate:

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POLITICS BLOG: The night as it unfolded

Oil imports

The claim: Speaking about energy costs, McCain said: "We've got to stop sending $700 billion a year to countries who don't like us that much."

The facts: McCain repeatedly makes this claim, which has often been criticized as exaggerated. The United States spends about $536 billion a year on imported oil, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. For crude oil alone, last year the United States imported about 3.7 billion barrels at an average price of $67.97 per barrel, for a total of about $250 billion, Energy Department statistics show. But about one-third of that goes to close U.S. allies of Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.
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Financial crisis

The claims: "With the encouragement of Sen. Obama and his cronies," McCain said, government-sponsored mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were key drivers of the financial crisis — "the match that started this forest fire." McCain said Obama is the second-highest recipient of campaign contributions from employees of those entities in the Congress. Obama countered that "the biggest problem" was the deregulation of the financial system.

The facts: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were created during the Depression to promote home ownership, recently went into government conservatorship after huge losses from investments in mortgage-backed securities. Fannie and Freddie were one of the top spenders on lobbying in the past decade, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. Numerous bills to tighten regulations on them failed in the last decade. Many of Fannie and Freddie's most ardent supporters have been Democrats.

Experts disagree about how important Fannie and Freddie were in contributing to the financial meltdown. No one disputes that the corporations bought billions of dollars in securities now considered "toxic," but so did many large private banks and investment firms.

Obama has received $126,349 in contributions from Fannie and Freddie employees and political action committees, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. That's second in Congress only to Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, who chairs the banking committee. McCain received $21,550.

The McCain campaign has produced no evidence, however, that Obama did favors for the corporations. In 2005, McCain co-sponsored a bill to step up regulation on Fannie and Freddie. Dodd and other Democrats voted against it in committee, and it never came to a vote in the full Senate, so Obama did not vote on it.

McCain has a history of supporting financial deregulation, though he now says more regulation is needed.

Taxes and spending

The claim: Obama said his tax and spending plans would result in a "net spending cut" for the federal government. McCain said that Obama is proposing $860 billion in new spending.

The facts: A study from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget found McCain's tax and spending proposals would add $288 billion to $354 billion to the federal deficit by 2013. Obama's proposals would add $387 billion to the deficit by 2013, the study says.

Boeing contract

The claim: McCain said he "saved taxpayers $6.8 billion" on a military contract between Boeing and the Defense Department to lease refueling tanker planes to the Air Force.

The facts: McCain was a chief congressional critic of Boeing's plan, which was killed in 2003. The Congressional Budget Office estimated the cost of the lease proposal at $20 billion. A former Air Force official and a former top Boeing executive pleaded guilty to corruption charges related to that proposal and served time in prison. The Air Force still needs new tankers to replace its decades-old fleet, however. The Pentagon awarded a new, $35 billion tanker contract earlier this year to a team of EADS, the European parent of Airbus, and U.S. contractor Northrop Grumman. That contract, too, was scrapped after the Government Accountability Office found the Air Force botched the bidding process.

Small-business taxes

The claims: McCain said Obama's plan to raise the top income tax rate would raise taxes on "50% of small-business revenue."

The facts: The liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, citing 2003 data from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, said in a report that 436,000 tax filers with small-business income — 1.3% of the 32.8 million filers with small-business income — were subject to the top income tax rate. Another Tax Policy Center analysis concluded that "roughly 97% of small businesses would not be affected at all by increases in the top two tax rates."

Len Burman, who runs the Tax Policy Center, said recently: "The vast majority of small businesses would not be affected by the Obama tax increases" because they are not in the top two tax brackets. He added, "Most small-business owners have relatively modest incomes."

Alternative energy

The claim: Obama said McCain voted 23 times against alternative energy programs.

The facts: In his claim, Obama includes several votes on the same piece of legislation. The website FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, says only 11 of the 23 votes involved reducing or eliminating incentives for renewable energy.

HelenWheels said...

Keith just excoriated McCoot.

HelenWheels said...

Enigma: I just had the funniest light-bulb go off, you know how I said I thought McInsane's plan to build MORE Nuclear Plants is so antiquated, wrong and out of touch, AND I also called him Mr. Burns... I truly didn't connect the two. But I just did. And spewed Chardonnay onto my coffee table. Shit, my brain works so weird.

HelenWheels said...

Good night & thanks again (unless I have another revelation I simply CAN'T keep to myself).

enigma4ever said...

thanks Nevada...
I will check all that...

Helen::
omg the Burns Connection toooooo funny..


There are moments that I think is really really strange..

(1) McInsane suggesting a NEW Mortgage Plan ( even though it is basically a reshaping of the Bailout that is already on the table....)

(2) the FREEZE again- again and NO ONE says anything about it...only paying for Military programs....

(3) NUKE is his ONLY plan for energy ???

(4) the "THAT ONE" Moment....creeepy...Dismissive, rude...and disrespectful....

(5) HOW mean McCain was to Brokaw about the Treasury question...

(6) McCoot pacing..and wandering...really looked really uncomfortable..and awkward...

(7) McCoot lied about his healthcare plan AGAIN....

(8) The person who really got all the Extra time and first Questions was actually McCain....thanks tom...

(9) Obama really did look much more presidential and handled the insults and Tom with grace, and answered questions about Economy, the Iraq Mess, and foriegn policy better....

HelenWheels said...

Enigma, excellent observations!

Spot on. All worth considering in our blogging efforts tomorrow.

Thanks & Keith is addressing many of those now!

They think the mortgage buy up thing is surreal :)

enigma4ever said...

Thanks helen,.
I was trying to flip through Dave, Jon Stewart and Keith....I will rewatch it in an hour...

( and yeah...I think I am blogged out tonight..)

Fran said...

1. Red carpet is ugly.

2. Please tell John McCain he is NOT our friend.

3. This format sucked.

4. I'm ready to vote now.

enigma4ever said...

Red Carpet was very putrid...
and YES John is NOT our friend ( he has no friends)...
and the format was weird..
but it was tom brokaw..
and I want to vote NOW.....

D.K. Raed said...

just checking in to catch the end of your great thread here.

I cracked up reading Helen's comment, Debate Over, time for McC to go lie down & soak his feet!

To me, the debate was over the moment McC said "that one" (while jerking his thumb toward Obama). Horrible man, doesn't even get what he said. We all know that phrase would only be used on someone you consider "inferior". McC is too out-of-it to be president.

And yes, that carpet was so awful, I thought something was wrong with my TV.

HelenWheels said...

DK thanks. I'm rewatching, more focus 'cause not live-blogging and there was a part where McLame seemed as nutjobby/inane as Mooselini...

I'm going to TRY to find that soundbyte for tomorrow.

Luckily it's obvious Obama won, hands-down (again).

YAY!!!!

enigma4ever said...

Hey all ,...I was rewatching too...and also I also saw a clip on CNN and realized that after the debate...
Obama tried to shake hands with McCain while still in the little arena...and McCain walked away., and again and would not look at him.....really weird moment-that no one noticed...but I saw it on the CNN tape..and then on cspan...McCain and his wife just left....really strange..

HelenWheels said...

I see the pointing toward Obama early on when MCPain said "cronyism" and then "that one" and not shaking his hand a major sign at the end of the debate, blatant signs that McLame thinks Obama is beneath him or he just has major contempt he can't get past. Not good, not professional.

D.K. Raed said...

They did shake hands immediately afterwards ... the awkward moment came when McC snuck up behind Obama (who was working the crowd with Michelle) ... he tapped Obama on the back from one side, then quickly moved to the other side so Obama was turned around funny & it looked like Obama stuck out his hand toward McC. Now the gentlemanly thing for McC to have done was to shake. Instead he shoved Cindy toward Obama's hand. If what McC was trying to do was have a "greet the wives" moment, why did he then ignore Michelle, who was standing right there towering over the twerp?!? Wierd-o-rama!

Hairball said...

I appreciate the link to the transcript. I'm sure I missed some things as I was yelling for that troll McCain to get back under his bridge.

Mariamariacuchita said...

Was with you in spirit, but had a grandbaby to take care of.
What a boring town hall format...it was like watching paint dry.

enigma4ever said...

or watching McCoot "nail Jello to the wall"?