Good point Barack!
clear win, loved that cost benefit analysis linewe win
Michelle! I love their love.
If they banned McInsane from saying My Friends and Stinking Corpse this would be almost bearable....almost...yuck...(NH has gone Obama ....news for you Tom...)
Interesting question, What don't you know and how will you learn it?
Yeah and you just know Michelle is a GREAT woman behind a great man. Her speech killed me at the DNC. I adore that woman.
Kelly - me2...they are most beautiful couple...wow...so inspiring...
Obama should have said "I don't know how to fail."
I love their relationship, they really seem to be a great couple.I hate to admit, Obama didn't really answer the question though!
Helen: She brought me back into the Party. I was thinking about switching to the other side. I know I know. That's why I canvass.
the graph nosedived when Coot stood up...and now it rose???I don;t believe that...
Good, McCain didn't either. They're both using the opportunity to kind of sum up.
Uh oh... "what I don't know is that I'm a wrinkled old boring Mr. Burns-like corpse who helped bring on all the tragedies playing upon the American stage today. Thank you and good night. Dither, dither..."
Did you know he was a POW?
Here it comes:POW.
Hey, mauigirl, it worked for Mooselini! Ignore those damn pesky questions, dontcha know! *wink*
You guys rock. I cdn't get through it without you. Next time, no beer. I can't type!
Kelly- did you see Michelle when she was here??? she was amazing....and you are right seeing and hearing here can be such an experience..Finally it is done.....Obama is very smooth...so thoughtful and good job.....and POOF where did the Candidates go???there is Michelle in red..looking so classy...
That was pretty funny when both of them were blocking Brokaw's view of the teleprompter!
Really, Kellybelle? Were you actually going to vote for the Dark Side? Or third party? Actually I was going to vote for Cynthia McKinney. But then I found out McLame's voting record against woman's reproductive choice & equal pay and then the capper was Palin, who I hate with a white-hot loathing.
Thanks Kelly we love you ...you are so dead on when you type- and next time I NEED beer...wow...take care..Thank you ALL for being here...without your humor and insight...my head might explode..
Curiously, Chardonnay helps me type! Can't figure out why! I might stagger or slur, but the typing won't show it!
Thank you, as always, Enigma, for being such a good host!We're on MSNBC - will watch Olbermann afterwards, assume he will sum it all up.
OH Tweety! I can't believe you said something relevant! Yes what the fuck was the treasury secretary question w/ Brokaw? I'm thinking just becomign buddy/buddy early on.
thank you ALL for being here...I am really greatful for all of your thoughts and humor....you are the best....such wisdom and such smarts .....you rock !!!!
yeah...what was that about NOT YOU TOM????what was that ????
Thanks for hosting again Enigma. I'm also watching Msnbc. What was with that jab at Tom Brokaw about not choosing him for secretary of the treasury? I know he has a twisted sense of humor but did McPain think that was funny? hmph.
okay...this is a girl question...is Michelle Pregnant???? she looks thicker? I am not trying to rumor here...but she looks different...
Hey Alien ..good to see you....I have NO idea what that was....
That kid sitting next to the lady in the plaid dress looks like a young John Hinkley and was frowning at Obama. THat makes me nervous!OH JUST WOULD YOU LOOK at my paranoia anymore!!
Michelle definitely got a nice curvacious bod, that's for sure. Hard to tell, Enigma. I don't watch her close enough in general. She looks awesome in red.
Interesting that McCain left and Obama and Michelle are still working the crowd. They're getting a lot more airtime on TV.
HA HA!!! What a fucking surprise, Pat Puke-Anon thinks McSame won again. He's such an out-of-touch FAILURE and wrong all the time. Why do they allow him on TV?? Of course he would like McCOot's shitty performance.OH again: Did what he came to do. Is that all we should expect from a president??STFU, Pat.
McLame has to go lie down and soak his feet.
I missed the whole freaking thing!My daughter called and just wanted to talk. I told her that in a choice between talking to her or watching the Presidential debate she would always be the winner, but I still am going to have to watch it again.Oh well.
Yeah that was not smart of McSame. Totally makes Obama look like the winner, since he stuck around. Obama looks happy, he knows he did well.
I think for Pat Buchanan, the positive things he had to admit about Obama are equivalent to admitting Obama actually won. He just can't say it outright.
Thanks E ~" my friend" for hosting.
waiting for tomorrows pollsbut I think we won, (really) and NO DEAL changer for McSame
YES, thank you, Enigma! What fun :)
Michelle Obama was born January 17, 1964 (according to Wikipedia) which makes her 44. It's within the realm of possibility for her to be pregnant. *If* she is, I admire that she hasn't publicized it for political gain.
Tom, I totally agree!
Obama wins hands down.Good night my sweet rose and ...God Bless.
thanks All::Tom: yup....McInsane did NOT do well..at all..Fran::thank you so much....my friend ;-)Maui and Helen::Pat Puke-anon..is So Out of touch....and he is ALWAYS wrong..always...thank you again...Do you think the polls will show HOW well Obama did ???
thanks AnonP...you are always welcome...and btw I did post about the SS contact information below...thanks for being here...
gryphen ::You daughter always comes first..always....you know that ;-)
Is it just me or does Tweety suddenly look 15 years older?? Jeez! Bad lights...?
OK: I just have to laugh. They keep saying McLame was the aggressor, and that he did "well" only to then point out all the great stuff Obama did right and HOW HE LOOKED PRESIDENTIAL.So, isn't that WINNING?Uh oh... Keith is already killing him... later!!
Coot couldn't sit - maybe his depends were creeping on him...gonna watch Keith,...and the Daily Show...thanks again....
thanks for hosting enigma.I agree with helen that Obama looked like the president.McCain... not so much.
Hi - just thought I'd live the list of fact-checking that was just published on the debate. Interesting to listen to the people who call in.Poor old McCain, he's just so caught up in his 'loop' ... and he's always so snide; constantly making cutting (and unnecessary) remarks.Anyway, here's the list you might like to look over:Fact check: Context of key debate claimsUpdated 12m ago | Comments5 | Recommend E-mail | Save | Print | Reprints & Permissions | Subscribe to stories like this 2008: MCCAIN VS. OBAMAUSA TODAY's interactive presidential poll tracker helps you dig into the polling trend lines in all 50 states and nationwide. YOU ASK THE CANDIDATES... USA TODAY On Politics asked readers to submit the debate questions they would ask John McCain and Barack Obama. A sampling: The next president may be recommending two or three new members of the U.S. Supreme Court...What criteria would you each use in making these critically important appointments? -- tucsonaz What can you do to help these millions of Americans who lost a lot of their savings in their 401k plans and other investments in the last days? -- HansA Sen. McCain -- You say you would not support our troops leaving Iraq until they have victory. What do you mean by victory? How would we know it when we see it? -- dtannenb Sen. Obama -- How will you avoid the quagmire in Afghanistan that has swallowed up other countries throughout history? -- LostntheMystery For more possible debate questions and to take part in the On Politics community conversation, click here. CREATE A SCENARIO FOR 2008USA TODAY's interactive electoral vote tracker lets you build election scenarios, share them with friends and study past election outcomes. 2008 CANDIDATE PROFILES 2008 Republican nominee: Sen. John McCain of Arizona -- Six things to do before Nov. 4 John McCain on the campaign issues: Iraq | Energy | Immigration | Health care | Education | Abortion | Gay civil rights 2008 Democratic nominee: Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois -- Six things to do before Nov. 4 Barack Obama on the campaign issues: Iraq | Energy | Immigration | Health care | Education | Abortion | Gay civil rights Match up with a candidate: Our issues game lets you compare your views with those of Obama and McCain. o Yahoo! Buzz o Digg o Newsvine o Reddit o Facebook o What's this?By Matt Kelley and Ken Dilanian, USA TODAYA look at some of the claims made by presidential nominees Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain in Tuesday night's debate:LIVE VIDEO: McCain, Obama spar over economyPOLITICS BLOG: The night as it unfoldedOil importsThe claim: Speaking about energy costs, McCain said: "We've got to stop sending $700 billion a year to countries who don't like us that much."The facts: McCain repeatedly makes this claim, which has often been criticized as exaggerated. The United States spends about $536 billion a year on imported oil, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. For crude oil alone, last year the United States imported about 3.7 billion barrels at an average price of $67.97 per barrel, for a total of about $250 billion, Energy Department statistics show. But about one-third of that goes to close U.S. allies of Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.FIND MORE STORIES IN: United States | United States Senate | Canada | Barack Obama | Pentagon | Mexico | Boeing | Air Force | Freddie Mac | United Kingdom | Fannie Mae | Government Accountability Office | Energy Department | Republican John McCain | Airbus | Congressional Budget Office | Center for Responsive Politics | Depression | Sen. Obama | Department of Defense | Policy Priorities | Northrop Grumman | Speaking | Tax Policy Center | Responsible Federal Budget | Context | Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of ConnecticutFinancial crisisThe claims: "With the encouragement of Sen. Obama and his cronies," McCain said, government-sponsored mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were key drivers of the financial crisis — "the match that started this forest fire." McCain said Obama is the second-highest recipient of campaign contributions from employees of those entities in the Congress. Obama countered that "the biggest problem" was the deregulation of the financial system.The facts: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were created during the Depression to promote home ownership, recently went into government conservatorship after huge losses from investments in mortgage-backed securities. Fannie and Freddie were one of the top spenders on lobbying in the past decade, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. Numerous bills to tighten regulations on them failed in the last decade. Many of Fannie and Freddie's most ardent supporters have been Democrats.Experts disagree about how important Fannie and Freddie were in contributing to the financial meltdown. No one disputes that the corporations bought billions of dollars in securities now considered "toxic," but so did many large private banks and investment firms.Obama has received $126,349 in contributions from Fannie and Freddie employees and political action committees, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. That's second in Congress only to Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, who chairs the banking committee. McCain received $21,550.The McCain campaign has produced no evidence, however, that Obama did favors for the corporations. In 2005, McCain co-sponsored a bill to step up regulation on Fannie and Freddie. Dodd and other Democrats voted against it in committee, and it never came to a vote in the full Senate, so Obama did not vote on it.McCain has a history of supporting financial deregulation, though he now says more regulation is needed.Taxes and spendingThe claim: Obama said his tax and spending plans would result in a "net spending cut" for the federal government. McCain said that Obama is proposing $860 billion in new spending.The facts: A study from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget found McCain's tax and spending proposals would add $288 billion to $354 billion to the federal deficit by 2013. Obama's proposals would add $387 billion to the deficit by 2013, the study says.Boeing contractThe claim: McCain said he "saved taxpayers $6.8 billion" on a military contract between Boeing and the Defense Department to lease refueling tanker planes to the Air Force.The facts: McCain was a chief congressional critic of Boeing's plan, which was killed in 2003. The Congressional Budget Office estimated the cost of the lease proposal at $20 billion. A former Air Force official and a former top Boeing executive pleaded guilty to corruption charges related to that proposal and served time in prison. The Air Force still needs new tankers to replace its decades-old fleet, however. The Pentagon awarded a new, $35 billion tanker contract earlier this year to a team of EADS, the European parent of Airbus, and U.S. contractor Northrop Grumman. That contract, too, was scrapped after the Government Accountability Office found the Air Force botched the bidding process.Small-business taxesThe claims: McCain said Obama's plan to raise the top income tax rate would raise taxes on "50% of small-business revenue."The facts: The liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, citing 2003 data from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, said in a report that 436,000 tax filers with small-business income — 1.3% of the 32.8 million filers with small-business income — were subject to the top income tax rate. Another Tax Policy Center analysis concluded that "roughly 97% of small businesses would not be affected at all by increases in the top two tax rates."Len Burman, who runs the Tax Policy Center, said recently: "The vast majority of small businesses would not be affected by the Obama tax increases" because they are not in the top two tax brackets. He added, "Most small-business owners have relatively modest incomes."Alternative energyThe claim: Obama said McCain voted 23 times against alternative energy programs.The facts: In his claim, Obama includes several votes on the same piece of legislation. The website FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, says only 11 of the 23 votes involved reducing or eliminating incentives for renewable energy.
Keith just excoriated McCoot.
Enigma: I just had the funniest light-bulb go off, you know how I said I thought McInsane's plan to build MORE Nuclear Plants is so antiquated, wrong and out of touch, AND I also called him Mr. Burns... I truly didn't connect the two. But I just did. And spewed Chardonnay onto my coffee table. Shit, my brain works so weird.
Good night & thanks again (unless I have another revelation I simply CAN'T keep to myself).
thanks Nevada...I will check all that...Helen::omg the Burns Connection toooooo funny..There are moments that I think is really really strange..(1) McInsane suggesting a NEW Mortgage Plan ( even though it is basically a reshaping of the Bailout that is already on the table....)(2) the FREEZE again- again and NO ONE says anything about it...only paying for Military programs....(3) NUKE is his ONLY plan for energy ???(4) the "THAT ONE" Moment....creeepy...Dismissive, rude...and disrespectful....(5) HOW mean McCain was to Brokaw about the Treasury question...(6) McCoot pacing..and wandering...really looked really uncomfortable..and awkward...(7) McCoot lied about his healthcare plan AGAIN....(8) The person who really got all the Extra time and first Questions was actually McCain....thanks tom...(9) Obama really did look much more presidential and handled the insults and Tom with grace, and answered questions about Economy, the Iraq Mess, and foriegn policy better....
Enigma, excellent observations!Spot on. All worth considering in our blogging efforts tomorrow.Thanks & Keith is addressing many of those now!They think the mortgage buy up thing is surreal :)
Thanks helen,.I was trying to flip through Dave, Jon Stewart and Keith....I will rewatch it in an hour...( and yeah...I think I am blogged out tonight..)
1. Red carpet is ugly.2. Please tell John McCain he is NOT our friend.3. This format sucked.4. I'm ready to vote now.
Red Carpet was very putrid...and YES John is NOT our friend ( he has no friends)...and the format was weird..but it was tom brokaw..and I want to vote NOW.....
just checking in to catch the end of your great thread here. I cracked up reading Helen's comment, Debate Over, time for McC to go lie down & soak his feet!To me, the debate was over the moment McC said "that one" (while jerking his thumb toward Obama). Horrible man, doesn't even get what he said. We all know that phrase would only be used on someone you consider "inferior". McC is too out-of-it to be president.And yes, that carpet was so awful, I thought something was wrong with my TV.
DK thanks. I'm rewatching, more focus 'cause not live-blogging and there was a part where McLame seemed as nutjobby/inane as Mooselini...I'm going to TRY to find that soundbyte for tomorrow.Luckily it's obvious Obama won, hands-down (again).YAY!!!!
Hey all ,...I was rewatching too...and also I also saw a clip on CNN and realized that after the debate...Obama tried to shake hands with McCain while still in the little arena...and McCain walked away., and again and would not look at him.....really weird moment-that no one noticed...but I saw it on the CNN tape..and then on cspan...McCain and his wife just left....really strange..
I see the pointing toward Obama early on when MCPain said "cronyism" and then "that one" and not shaking his hand a major sign at the end of the debate, blatant signs that McLame thinks Obama is beneath him or he just has major contempt he can't get past. Not good, not professional.
They did shake hands immediately afterwards ... the awkward moment came when McC snuck up behind Obama (who was working the crowd with Michelle) ... he tapped Obama on the back from one side, then quickly moved to the other side so Obama was turned around funny & it looked like Obama stuck out his hand toward McC. Now the gentlemanly thing for McC to have done was to shake. Instead he shoved Cindy toward Obama's hand. If what McC was trying to do was have a "greet the wives" moment, why did he then ignore Michelle, who was standing right there towering over the twerp?!? Wierd-o-rama!
I appreciate the link to the transcript. I'm sure I missed some things as I was yelling for that troll McCain to get back under his bridge.
Was with you in spirit, but had a grandbaby to take care of.What a boring town hall format...it was like watching paint dry.
or watching McCoot "nail Jello to the wall"?
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