Monday, January 21, 2008

ANOTHER Debate....and yes, Enigma is Blogging it, in the Comments, All Welcome


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Okay, about The Photo....A YEAR from tonight, this Regime will be packed up...but we will still have to deal with Much Baggage...we watch a NEW Regime Take OUR Country back ....But Until then we must keep storming the Castle and that means sadly, watching MORE debates.....Tonight is CNN's Debate....sigh...groan....Okay so I will summarizing it and writing commentary in the Comment Section...If anyone wants to join me...please do....I promise not to curse much and to not throw ....too much at the TV.

I spent the afternoon working, cleaning, and making Mushroom and Onion Soup, and Rattatouille, and Noodles....and yes, BROWNIES....for tonight.
(yes, I am going to eat my way through the debate....I know, I know...)

*{ Click the Title: Fleetwood Mac +" Landslide", really beautiful version where Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham forgive each other....very touching.....about putting the Past Behind..also be sure to watch the two video links I posted below, they will give you a whole new perspective in what we need in a Leader.... }*

58 comments:

Thomas said...

Ha Ha HA
well Brownies ARE a comfort food!
TOM

Cartledge said...

I had better register my interest now as you are my best source of commentary.

enigma4ever said...

Thomas:
We must have comfort food...( now I confess I have thrown alot of popcorn at the TV during cspan Hearings and also during the debates....but I share too ;-)

Cartledge:
if I am your "best" source of commentary....then you have my deepest sympathies....

Gryphen said...

I did not even realize there was a debate today.

Hell, it is on opposite Keith! The bastards!

I will have to channel surf between the two and keep refreshing this page to make sure I don't miss anything.

I am counting on you Enigma. But hey, no pressure. LOL!

enigma4ever said...

Hey Gryphen :
Is it too late to nominate WOLF and CNN for WORST Persons ??? ( 6-6 is watching Prison Break...said he can't watch anymore Wolf Debates- that is Worse than Prison - haha....) So I will sitting here alone cursing while I eat Brownies...hmm, I guess I will share them anyways.....

Okay...I will blog the debate....( but you better let me know if I miss something good on Keith !!!)

enigma4ever said...

7:57 PM:

Here I sit in my little TV Room, with my 1989 $ 29.99 GE TV.....and it's all warmed up- as evidenced by the big fat 18 lb. marmalade cat asleep on the top ( hey, it's better than an Antennae)....I am settled on my day bed, with 2 blankets, many pillows and Yellow Dog asleep on my foot- snoring....

I made Fresh Coffee- a big pot ( which one can do when coffee is on sale- for 2.49 /can.... it said on the Label it is Caribeean...hmm. maybe Caribean Tar Paper...really bad...BUT I added nutmeg and Saigon Cinnamon and some cloves....and it is MUCH better now...)

And I have my Fingerless Gloves...so let the Show begin !!!!


Wolf and the Black Caucus are hosting.....Wolf is looking well groomed....and the Candidates are not here yet ?

Edwards comes to the Stage- Great applause- some standing...

Obama : Incredible applause- LOUD....and looks confident....

Clinton: not as much applause...looking tough....

BIG FAT MOMENT OF SILENCE....

Senator Clyborn came to the stage and shook hands...now some other dignataries- why they could not be introduced is beyond me......okay...some photo ops....Hill keeps waving and smiling ( Bill must be in the audience) More handshaking and smiling.....

Oh,....the Candidates go to their podiums....Obama and Edwards are again next to each other....and Hill next to Obama...Auditorium is full....

Now Wolf will explain HIS rules...and says thank you for the Welcome...says Candidates don't have to thank...

Oh....the honor system will be used...( that should be special...)

"Gentle reminders will be used..."

Candidates must stay on topic ( hmm, I hope the Moderator remembers that rule TOO...)

Okay here we go... 8:07pm...Wolf still talking Blah blah...

Gryphen said...

Keith talked about Obama's charges of voter suppression in Nevada. Asked the commentator if he felt that this back and forth between the Clinton and Obama campaign was possibly irreparably damaging the Democrat party brand.

Also talked about Obama's decision to confront Bill on his less then truthful assertions.

Now talking about Rudy's campaign woes.

Gryphen said...

I see that Hillary is misrepresenting Obama's Reagan statement again.

I just had a huge dust-up over at Shakespeare's Sister about that. I think that the Clinton's are purposefully misrepresenting his statements and people are buying into it.

Oh, Obama just drew blood with that last statement!

enigma4ever said...

Joe Johns : First Question for hill, Economy is in toilet, how much money will your stimlulus package put in the pocket of Carolinian ?

Hill: mortage crisis - moratorium 90 days, interest rate freeze years, people will be given 650 dollars for energy bills this winter ( IF THEY QUALIFY)...$$$ to energy funds and energy jobs, 50-70 million people will be left out of Bush's package ( she says)...Wolf trys to stop her...but she is rambling....

*** ( she mentions NO regs on Banks or $$$ Money people that predatroy lended)

OBAMA: He brings up King Holiday...the Dream speech was about Jobs and Justice ( progress has not been made) Bush has made the economy worse. and the WAR has made this much worse....and the money should be going to people that need it and it should be immediate....IMMEDIATE...should be for seniors and families relief...

EDWARDS: Proud to be here on MLK night and his legacy was that idea that equality and poverty was critical to fight for....Garbage workers is what started alot of the marches...nobody mentions ,....50 millions get left out of the Stimulus package...ALL Americans must be included...Longterm Green Infrastructure...JOBS must be mentioned....( he is off subject about Peru trade deal) He is talking about that a Short term Stimulus package will not help ( state help )...and mortgate funds will help ( but he got cut off by Wolf- so his focus got lost)...He talks about LT packages..

OBAMA He takes the lead on this ....and backs up that the Mills in SC have been affected by NAFTA...ahd that it has been devastatating....( good to bring in this issue for the people there- Peru issue- which I don't know anything about...now O brings up China issue- we are off subject here..shoot)

Hill: 70 Billion in spending- and 40 mill for ??? tax rebates ? or more for spending and stimulus ( I lost what she said- the thread...) Prez's package is too little too late ( she got applause)...Green Collar job part imp. (5 Billion jobs- young people could be put to work.... Enigma rant here:oh , what about laid off steel workers- they could make WInd Energy -today-NOW....okay...back to the debate)

Edwards: applause he is talking about so many people are left out of the eqaution..I would not trust Bush to enforce ANYTHING ( big applause)

OBAMA: now talking with Edwards..about that we both have stories...and powerful stories...and I know what it is like for families and then watch the rug pulled out and everything pulled out...Nafta is a huge problems..esp. China...not just Peru...( so I think that he made peace with Edwards?)

Question For Obama:
A question about Hill said Obama's Programs would not be economically sound ?

Obama: well, she and her husband have made assertions about issues and facts that are not true...He adddresses that this is NOT true ( about Iraq War ) . He is clarifiying WHAT matters, about healthcare and care of their kids and their kids going to college.

Hill: Attacking back...( shit...I am so sick of this petty crap).....Says that his record says one thing.
She is saying that he diefended the Repugs ( what the hell is she talking about, he just said that he wants to stay ON THE ISSUES...) and she is talking about MONEY ( now considering she is missing about 90 MILL from her Campagn- she should not be poking this monster)....Boy she is in full bitch throttle....wow....audience is very quiet - Wolf Finally is letting Obama respond- "we are a little off subject"

Obama: ( He can't even a get a sentence out- and she interrupts AGAIN). He explains about WHY he spoke about how Reagon changed history..and he also reminded her that she was a Corporate Lawyer ( BIG noise from audience)...we have to build a working majority that works for the better of the Country....

Hill is ready for blood..."I want to clarify..." the Audience is booing..."We are just getting warmed up " she says..( unreal....)

Obama: "I can't tell WHO I am running against sometimes".....

Hill : GOT BOOED...BIG BOO....

Edwards: "Are the two people or three running? Does this petty Sqaubbling help children get healthcare...BIG applause...takes the subject back to the ISSUES...

Gryphen said...

And now Edwards takes the high ground and makes both Clinton and Obama look like children.

Oooh he is good.

enigma4ever said...

Hey G-Man....good to see you...


thank heavens that Edwards is really sticking to the Issues and talk about things that really matter...oh....peace offering to Obama....pointing out what is needed....

APPLAUSE..

enigma4ever said...

Joe Johns: question about Predatory Lenders and how it happened and HOW people were targeted....
Question: do you think Lenders have targeted Black Americans, or is it a Racial Problem ?

Edwards: Said that yes, I think there have been low income targeting and that includes black americans....
and yes, they are more vulnerable to predatory lenders and payday lenders...oh, he is talking about neighborhood in Cleveland (MY neighborhood ;-)

he talks about HOW this happens...and What we need to DO....( he rocked the response !!!!)

Hill: ( christ Wolf is quoting Greenspan for her - shit...) She says that Greenspan's plans would mitigate the agony ( footnote; Greenspan - Andrea Mitchells'[ Hubby- just a took a MONGO job with a Hedge Company- so he has not clue how BAD it is)....Now she talks about the banks- but she never talks about the Restructuring the Banks and the Regs....

OBAMA: None of this is new. Low income people are preyed upon, we have to open up to the process and open up banks to work with people to get the Predatory Banks out of the process- they have dominated the DC front for along time...and it is partly demonstrtated in the Bankruptcy laws have also contributed to this mess...Special Interests have contributed to

Wolf: Hill said that Barack worked for a Slumlord ( that was the BIG BOO earlier)...He explained that he worked for a chruch group that worked with a landllord that was unethical..TRUTHFULNESS during the campaigns matters....Trust Matters...

Hill: defending her bancruptcy voting, something about 30% on credit cards ???? ( now she is picking on Obama about insurance- what the hell-does she have ADD or what? we need to hear ONE issue at a time-She just uses her time to pick a fight every time.... this is getting old- real old)

enigma4ever said...

Hill: " you never take any responsibity" SHE GOT BOOED...now she is bringing up ( sex shops??what they hell)
( the audience is stunned...he is staring at her)

Obama: I feel bad that Hill is doing this and Edwards is not getting any time. He explains that the bill you menion Hill was the bill that I sponsered.

Edwards ( shaking head)

( Hill looks petty., and like she is trying to paint him a certain way, and that she is trying to paint him as Lazy....shit she is venomous...and she looks shrill and petty)

Obama: calm and quietly and says that he does not like to answer critizisms and says that she is NOT accurate....

Gryphen said...

I have to go make dinner for the kids. I watch it upstairs and will hurry back as soon as I can to catch up with you about what happened.

Forget Keith, this is the hot ticket of the evening!

enigma4ever said...

Edwards : says that issues are important and explains that is helping...and Votes must be defended..and explained....and is explaining why they matter .( This is awful- now she has those two fighting...)

Obama: is now explaining WHAT kind of Votes he has worked on, Youth In Prison , Death Penatly in Illinois, and also about his Iraq War votes...( and I think they are straight with each other)

Hill: Malveaux's question about African American Women..." My healthcare system will expand and be open to all so all could get care ( She still has never said HOW that would be affordable for all)..she calls HIV a chronic disease, ( that is a slippery slope), We need a universal health care system so we can negogiate with healthcare systems....and tax credits for people that are less than financially stable ( well, shit that won't help MILLIONS of people)....polite little patter applause...


OBama: Joe Johns, asked about Healthcare....12 million of illegal immigrants would they be covered ( interesting that HILL was not asked this)....Crtitical issue is about HOW will we get it done...He says that it was about Closed Door Process in the 90-'s and the People need to part of the Proceesss- IN PUBLIC...and who is advocated for...and what they need....Explains WHY the systems in place NOW are not working....

Edwards: ( 12 million immmigrants are not covered by any of the 3 plans- and I do think my plan does address the ER piece of care..and my immigrant plan would allow people to work for them....) He explains how the plan is about HOW we need to get it done....and Universal healthcare is one thing...
and not taking money from the health money from lobbyists...

ObAMA: I have not taken money from the lobbyisists...and Universal healthcare..I don't think MANDATING care is going to solve this NOT everyone can be forced to get healthcare- NOT everyone can AFFORD IT....so they can't get into it...

Cartledge said...

I'm all ears - and some other stuff :) This is a fascinating string. Thank you

enigma4ever said...

OBAMA: is still explaining WHY and HOW his plan will get to reach MORE people, including children get covered up until 25.....

Edwards:
now he brings SS issue.....but he is saying that Obama;s plan is the same ( he is missing Obama's point)

Hill: ( 30 seconds) :
Congress knows that we will never get there if we don't get care for everyone...now she is saying her plan is like Edwards ( BTW it is NOT....read them)

I am willing to go to the mat blah balh....yell yell...her 30 seconds .is up...Now she is picking on Obama again...( I am sooooo sick of this...)
Now she is hyping on his Vote record again..and she is yelling...

Obama: Here is the Policy Question " Are we making it affordable enough for families so that they can pay ? He brings up families are having to pay fines in Mass and can not have coverage and now don't have insurance....He is really saying HOW people can NOT ALL get it....He is trying to explain HOW we need to get there.

( Hill looks imperious....)

Joe Johns: Question about Iraq for Hill:
"are you looking to END the war, or Win the war"

Hill: blah blah...."I would bring our troops home"( that does not answer his question)....She keeps saying that Iraq knows that the leadership will end giving troops to the Iraq's..."complicated" ....and I would withdraw the troops..

Edwards:
( Wolf jumps in and now is asking Edwards a question about McCain?? wolf is rude..)

Edwards answers about "stability" and explains that there has been no answer to the political unstabilities...HOW Quickly is the question that needs to be answered and the Permanent Base issue also need to be answered. I would have ALL troops out the First year...

OBAMA: 2 brigades per month...that also would depend HOW many would be left from the surge...and the permanent base issue also needs to be resolved....and he talks about HOW much money is being spent a month- it is unsunstainable...that is alot of money 2 trillion would cover alot of issuess . He ends with the AL Queda issues.,...and we are bogged down in Iraq....

Hill: I will move as quickly as possible...big problem about Bush and his agreements that he is negogiating with the Iraqi People ( and not the Congress) I have been opposed to Bushs plans....( Now I have not see her say doo doo about this before...HE is in violation of Constiution- that is WHAT impeachment is FOR!!!!)

NOW the Rules are shifting...
and they are bringing a table...???What the hell...
Bathroom break....

Larry said...

Hillary and CNN make me want to vomit.

enigma4ever said...

Okay....NOW For Part II

( we had a break for Coffee...and many adds from CSX,DRUG Companies and Coal...well well..)

Wolf:
Something about Rangle's statement about WHY Blacks should vote for Hill ? ( I am sorry I was still getting seated).....

Obama: Answers with some lightness and some humor....( they are all seated with each other in little red chairs - they look like they are out of an airport waiting room....)

Suzanne Malveuax " question about how blacks vote?"( sorry I was not fuly understanding the question)
Edwards: I think that the issues that effect people are what matter , ie Poverty is an issue- a Moral issue and a big issue that is facing Black Americans- and we need to be honest about that...OUR nation needs to take on this issue- it is a Cause....

HILL: this has been my issue for 35 years, Children are my mission ( okay - housekeeping what thehell is she talking about???that was not the question) " we need a Reality Check " ( her fav line) she talks about HOW black families have lost money under bush ( well gee Hill- WE ALL HAVE LOST money under bush)....

Obama: is talking very nicely about we need to read each other's stuff...about how he started after college and about working with kids in low income housing projects and how they had goals..and how that there was nothing for them to shoot for becuase no one was thinking about how to help them reach their goals...A Lifetime Goal matters..

I have to say this,...Media has been very focused on RACE- but people want us to focus on how we are the same NOT how we are Different......they want to get Somthing Done...

enigma4ever said...

Larry: Mylanta shooters are ready- lemon creme ..on ice....( goes great with brownies...)

G and Cart- hey there...you can have some too....

Edwards: talking about Poverty and said that we have 37 million in poverty....and also tells the story about the woman without heat ( god bless her- I can relate)... ( Hill never ever has Poverty stories..)

Joe Johns NOW quoting Toni Morrison and the "Black President Quote" ( shit this is pure pandering )
Obama is handling this with pure grace, talking about What inspires young black men...and ( meanhwile Hill is still giggling over the question)...and Obama talks about how that for that period of time that MrClinton embraced this and whether he was indeed a Brother....( he handled that obnoxious question with real dignity- more than the question deserved...)

Hill: some BS statement about how the three Candidates and how they represent the priniciples of MLK...she quoted Frederick Douglas ( silence- not applause)....and she is starting to get shrill, and yell again...oye...( Wolf's watch is broken again..)

( Blah bah..Brownie break..sorry..)

enigma4ever said...

OH no..Fuck...I just typed all of that up and Blogger did not print- my apologies-I Have no idea where it went..shoot

I will retype later when I re-watch- so sorry...I have no idea what happened....damnit...

****** It was the part about Race and the role it plays Edwards and Obama did great...and I typed all of it...shoot..

enigma4ever said...

Okay so the part that I typed was from 9:30 - 9:50pm and was about Race vs Poverty as an issue; and there were actually some pandering questions about Clinton and Obama handled them great- and Edwards basically pointed out that the ISSUEs are what is driving ALL of the Voters to the polls...

( I put the time, and I will go back put what Obama and Edwards said- becuase it was important)


Obama: ( cut from add) he is talking about Where has has won, that he has won in areas that he was not expecting. He brings up Faith, that he is a proud Christian and that Evangelicals have not been reached out to them, but he points out that Dems should be reaching out to the Christian Voters as well...( this is smart as there have been phone calls made to people saying that Obama is Muslim-which is NOT true)...

Hill: Changes subject- she is talking about how McCain will talk about terra and world defense- balah bhlah,.....

Edwards: He brings up..that Day ONE I will not have ANY Corporate Lobbyists in the WH? and he asked Hill...

Hill : said I will have Honest People ( hmmm,doesn't answer the question)

Edwards: Hill, here is the problem, if someone gives you millions of money they expect Something...

Hill Shrill....but but but...

Edwards: I think we need a President about HOW we need SOMEONE to stand up for People...

Hill: so now she is talking about Public Financing....( what the hell?) she is YELLING AGAIN...( boy - she yells so much)

Obama: Not everyone's hands are perfectly clean- the worry is about anciullary issue ...I want to talk about HOW you are the best person from day one to talke on Security issues- I think that is not the way to take on MCCain...I think we need to overcome the Polictic of FEAR...we need to talk about this differently- Wolf, let me finish. This is importnt and it is about NEW forgien Policy and he quotes JFK, that we need to talk about talk aboout a NEW way to talk with enemies and build alliances...

Edwards: folllows up on this, and says that we need a Vivsionary Forgein Policy....one that embraces many issues that effect all of us in a direction away from Bush...AND he says about being a Beacon of Light...( applause)

Gryphen said...

Does anybody else feel sorry for John Edwards because of his race?

If this campaign does nothing else it has turned the status quo up on its head. To see the Christian white male seeming to be in the minority is a little hard to get used to.

I can almost see Edwards thinking "Damn I wish I was black. Or a chick!"

It is great in some ways, but it sort of muddies the water. Because, and I am just speaking for myself here, John Edwards looks like the best candidate up there.

I like Obama, but I am definitely feeling Edwards right now.

enigma4ever said...

Wolf: If MLK were alive today...what would you say to him...

Edwards:
Equality and ending Poverty today...I have been pushing as loudly as I can as long as I can...Voting Rights issue...and that this is broken ( Obama has spoken about this too)...WHO is willing to fight end poerveryt as well....

Obama:
I don't think MLK would endorse ANY of us, that change happens at the Bottem and works it up...and mobilizing and agitating so that Elected ate HELD accountable...To bring change by the people from the People...

Hill:
Change .....does come from the people...BUT.....( here it comes....) MLK made the efforts BUT....there was a meeting of Morality and Politics ( omg...I can not beleive she is saying that...).
Wolf cuts her off...

END of Debate...
( I will add that missing part.....so sorry)

Anok said...

Politics aside, my husband and I had ratatouille just a couple of nights ago!

As always Enigma, thank you for being so thorough, so concerned and so....you

Awesome.

Gryphen said...

My rating:

1st place has to go to Edwards he had the most clear and compelling arguments and he resisted the mud wrestling that distracted his opponents.

2nd place has to go to Barack, he called out Bill Clinton on his attacks but still managed to rise above it at times and demonstrate just why he is so inspirational.

3rd place Hillary. Mainly because I cannot place her any lower then 3rd. She just came across as shrill and nitpicky. It may be something in my subconscious that hears her as nagging due to her gender but I hope that is not what is coloring my judgment of her. I think if she were a dude I would still find her unsavory.

enigma4ever said...

Gryphen :
You are so right the Political System and the Media has indeed been thrown on its head...and I think that for all of us- we have known for many monthes HOW Broken it is...it is WHY we are in an ILLEGAL WAR....we all blame DC and we blame the Media-= and we should - they have failed US..ALL of US...

I am grateful for Edwards and Obama for trying to stick to ISSUEs...that effect all of US....Hill was in attack mode...but she came off as Petty...

Anok said...

By the way, Obama just seriously got my attention with his last answer about Martin Luther King Jr.

He's right, and he seems to be the only one brave enough to admit it.

My husband is right too, Obama will probably be assassinated.

Anok said...
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enigma4ever said...

Omg...Gryohen I just wrote the same thing as you....ahhh so not just me saw her as nitpicky.....

( Why the hell does she have to yell???? I am a woman-I don't yell every sentence)

Anok::: thanks for being here...and yes, we are all suffering these debates...I am not as objective as I would like....but I am glad that I had my rattatouille...

enigma4ever said...

Grypehen : where did your comment go ????what? I just read it and now it is gone? shoot....it was a great comment...

Gryphen said...

I don't know.

I posted one at Shakespeare's Sis too and it also disappeared.

enigma4ever said...

oh dear....WHO deleted themselves???please don't censor yourself...gryphen...I just found your comment...okay....

need to go find mylanta....
( I am skipping the AC part..... I have to go watch Medium with 6-6...)

Larry said...

Hillary proved once again she is dirty and will stoop to anything for the mantle of power.

Gryphen said...

Wait, I found it. It did not disappear.

enigma4ever said...

OH there you are gyrphen...hmm maybe Blogger is having a bad night...well, I think your comments are coming through here....

enigma4ever said...

Larry: she is UNREAL...I don't understand her at all- she really should answer questions...

(1) ABOUT MONEY: she is MISSING over 90 MIllion from her campaign???
(2) HOW involved will her HUSBAND be in her Administration?????

and yes, she does play dirty- she gives Women a bad name- we all are not Petty and Shrill...I wish she was not acing like this...except it is NOT an act...it is WHO she is....and that saddens me...

abi said...

I thought Edwards had another great night. Clear, honest, forceful, direct.

God knows we can't elect someone like that.

I thought Clinton came off as petty and negative. I kept hoping Obama would turn to her and tell her, in no uncertain terms, to stop distorting his record. He needs to say it simply and forcefully. It would have brought the house down.

enigma4ever said...

Abi: he did say it- it was in the beginning- and he also confronted her about BILL doing it too....BUT he did SAY it to her face....and it was indeed priceless....NOW about Edwards- he once again rocked it....he is good...solid...

abi said...

Yes, Obama did defend himself. But he was being too careful, too nice. He should have made it an "I'm paying for this microphone" moment.

Anok said...

Don't worry Enigma, that was me that deleted - I posted twice by accident!

enigma4ever said...

Oh Anok...phew...I was worried- i don;t ever want people to feel like they can't talk here....Best to you and your hubby...

Thomas said...

Actually, I was glad to see some sparks, too bad they fight over small game stuff, I am watching the coverage as I seem to have missed the first half of the debate. Sparks GOOD passion in our politicans GOOD, we NEED our folk to be angry and inspiring, watching good Obama advert as I type, Edwards did GOOD also...
Ok, Hillary clear winner on Health care.....

enigma4ever said...

ABI:
I know he was polite- but he had to be- it just made her look more screechy....more shrill...if he was too strong - he would catch heat...

Fran said...

Edwards said there are 3 candidates? Excuse me but Kucinich is still in the race & even though the corporate networks omit at their will, it's odd that they have done this time & again so much so the candidates can't even keep track?

enigma4ever said...

Thomas:
Sorry but I don;t agree that Hill won on healthcare...I see it dfferently- they ALL brought up important aspects of issues about healthcare.....I think they all talked about it in a better way then previously....
The First half was definently was the firey part- and Hill really was petty....and rude- but Obama stood his ground...and did it well...

enigma4ever said...

Fran: I think he MEANT on that Stage- because it was turning into just a battle between O and H...that 's all...( and the first half- or atleast 20 minutes all of the Wolf Question steerng was indeed setting up fights between O and H..it was pathetic..)

enigma4ever said...

OH BTW Shakes Sister does have a LINK to a much more Accurate Live Blog of the Debate than mine ( and no rude commentary...)

I am off to watch Jon Stewart....

Have a good night and thank you to everyone for coming...it was nice to have company...

Fran said...

I know Edwards meant 3 candidates on that stage,
but my point is Kucinich was silently uninvited again- this time no court case, just *missing*, and to add insult to that injustice, he says there are 3 candidates running... maybe it was a Freudian slip, but I'm still stewing over the fact not all legitimate candidates are even invited to these "debates".
Arrrgh!

enigma4ever said...

Fran:
I know, the whole process is Soooo contaminated...I just sent you an email from Kucinich that explains WHY he was not at this debate...so Awful....

I don't like HOW any of these debates have been handled....I wish all the Candidates were there to talk about REAL issues...ALL of us could do a better job...

and I miss Dennis...I am tired of the Manuvering and games played my MSNBC and CNN- they are no better than FOX....

( okay..I still love Keith- if Keith was not on MSNBC- I would not watch...)

Renegade Eye said...

I think Kucinich uninvited himself. He is reliable to bring around voters unhappy with the party, and keeping them there. If Kucinich said invite me to debate, or I'll tell my voters to leave the party, he'd be front and center on stage.

enigma4ever said...

Renegade:
Whatever he did, or didn't do, I did get a letter from his campaign after the debate...I am not sure what happened....but I am sad that the whole process seems broken and in many ways scripted....that we don't get to see and hear from ALL the Candidates....

D.K. Raed said...

Excellent, e.x.c.e.l.l.e.n.t!!! I knew after I finally wrestled the TV away from Mr Tennis & watched the debate, I could come here & realize my reactions are not isolated. I chomped pretzels & cream cheese to help get me through. Now, I need Tums.

Your whole running commentary really captured it, Enigma. Well done! I don't know why Hillary yells so much, I think that's just her normal voice. I thought Obama handled her attacks quite professionally & got in a few jabs himself. To me, Edwards always "wins" these debates, but unfortunately he can't seem to grab the pulse of the electorate.

I know this is MLK day & they are in SC, but I am really getting sick of making this all about race & gender. Run on the issues! I don't think the day after Obama takes office, his race will be a factor in his presidency. If it's Hill, I don't think her gender will make a Rat's A$$ difference to her leadership.

At this point, I'm not sure more debates are going to show anybody anything they don't already know about these candidates. People who want to know more details about their plans should be looking at their websites. For instance, it is frustratingly impossible for Edwards to explain in 60-seconds the minutae of his national health care overhaul.

And yes, once again, no Kucinich, even though he generally provides much needed clarity on the issues.

Now, does anyone know exactly which dems are on the Florida ballot? Will it be another Michigan deal, since they've also been DNC'd.

OK, back to Nadal vs some Nazi. I always root for Nadal. Nadal for Ambassadore Iberia!

enigma4ever said...

Hey there DK...knew you would come by after tennis..6-6 and I are watching it again...( gluttons for punishment...eh??)....so I think sadly we all want ISSUES...and if people read their websites that people that would KNOW there is MUCH more to dig through at this point...but I think the MEdia - chicken shits they are- they don't want to talk issues- just like they have not wanted to Cover or Investigate Bushco crap....
sadly I think the DEMS are not able to have Florida on the tally , I am not sure about this- I love how the DEM Leadership has NEver ever bothered to send out an email and explain That....( so to answer your question- I think Fla is another Mich. deal...sorry)......anyways DK, I blogged most of it- I lost 10 minutes- ONE comment did not print- I am actually rewatching to see if I can blog it...but ce la vie- ir was important...oh well..
6-6 is appallled about Hill....he pointed out that day one no one will give a shit about her gender- he wants to know if she will yell all the time...and also What Bill will do- he is worried that Bill will take over....he said he was impressed with Obama s calm and Edwards fire...sigh....

and he sad that he didn;t think MLK would be happy that Race is still an issue- 40 years later it should not be ...and he is right....sadly....

Cartledge said...

I was wondering when the tennis would sneak in. Well the Aussies are gone now so I'll stick with the politics till the next cricket match.

enigma4ever said...

Cart...you can stick round as much as you want...we will share brownies with you...Lewis Black...bad jokes and DK will share tennis wisdom.....Enigma is too tired....off to find zzzzz's....and hopefully erase Wolf's voice from my head....

Gnite all thank you all for coming by...Gryphen, Larry, Fran , Cart, Renegade....and ANOK...and DK...thank you for making me laugh..I do less Mylanta shooters when you all are round.....thanks again....

D.K. Raed said...

I just noticed your label for this post, "Enigma's Lost Sanity", LOL! Hope you recover it after a good night's sleep. I enjoyed reading through all the comments. I have no brownies to share & I've finished off the pretzels (I can never eat them without thinking of Bush choking on one), so I am off to bed, too. ps, my only Tennis wisdom is to notice the excellent shape these guys are in: tennis players, swimmers, long-distance runners, it's all good!

oh, I know the DNC has said the FL delegates won't be seated at the convention (same as MI), but since I've been unable to find a sample ballot online, I was just wondering if they'll be having the same choices of Clinton vs uncommitted ?

enigma4ever said...

DK:
6-6 pointed out that I can not remember HOW many debates I have blogged ....( he said I am losing brain cells each time...) About Pretzels...I am not allowed to have pretezels or popcorn, or throwable food...as the animals have too good a time feasting...and it is too messy....
I have no idea about the Florida how it works...what a mess....I hope that Uncomitted Person does well again....

Okay...off to bed..( 6-6 and I ended up staying up late and talking ..about the debate...of course...)