I AM LIVEBLOGGING THE CNN DEBATE TONIGHT..... JOIN ME IN THE COMMENTS SECTION.....
I WILL TRY TO TYPE IT UP AND THERE IS ROOM FOR COMMENTARY AND INSIGHTS ...ALL WELCOME...
I really hope and pray that they Stick to the ISSUES....Iraq to Economy to Jobless to Homeless to VET Issues to Healthcare.....We don't have time for Petty Bickering created and abetted by petty moderating ( and yes, I mean Wolf and his pandering baiting questions)...
KEITH SPECIAL COMMENT ON FISA IS NOT TO BE MISSED.
*** ALSO SPECIAL ALERT ::::KEITH IS ALSO HOSTING A POST DEBATE DISCUSSION, AND JOHN AMATO (FROM CROOKS AND LIARS ) WILL BE ON WITH KEITH FOR POST DEBATE ROUND UP AT 10:30 PM...****
27 comments:
Off topic, Enigma there's a recent post at one of my sites Let's Talk God that was written by ParisL0ve2.
I don't really know your views on pro-lifers, but any suggestions you may have on said topic would be welcome, if you have the time to take a look at it.
Thanks Laryy from Let's Talk.
I had better register my interest before you start :)
That Blogger outage was yesterday Enigma.
I know because it kicked me off mid post.
Thanks...
Let's I will try to come visit later...
Cart:
lovely to see you ....
Grphen:
thanks... for setting me straight...
Obama is being so magnanimous that it is going to be awfully hard for Hillary to undertake any nasty attacks.
Nice hat tip to John Edwards too.
10 PM TONIGHT WATCH THE CONDITION CRITICAL ABOUT HEALTHCARE IN THIS COUNTRY- DR.GUPTA SPECIAL......
OKAY TIME FOR THE DEBATE::::::::
8PM.......
HUGE BOISTEROUS CROWDS...LOUD VERY LOUD AT THE KODAK THEATER.....CAN NOT HEAR WOLF ( no loss..)....Even Inside very very loud...( btw John Amato is there tonight from Crooks&Liars) the Hall is huge and very echoey....One on One Debate...wolf said something ...thunderous Applause.....They enter at the same time - Hill is yelling hello to wolf...Obama is quiet....photos being taken....
Okay Cans are sitted next to each Other...and Obama is very dignified and talks about Moving Foreward....looks good..Acknowledged Edwards...and his contributions to this Campaign...
Clinton: opening statements...
( sorry I was late- Pizza was delvered- had to talk to the guy- he was happy the debate was on- he was from Iran- and Obama supporter ;-)
Hill: still talking...golf claps...
Question: for C: Policy Distinction between the two of you ?
Hill: first off there are some
1) healthcare- Universal SAYS hers is like Edwards ( not true btw) .....Foreclosure- freeze interest rate for 5 years. Internationally issues we are different....Plotting fear craplola....Precondtions on Meeting with Foriegn Problem Countries...
( O writing notes..)
OBAMA:
1) healthcare- 95% would be cared for...HealthInsureance... ( swtiching rooms- heater is too noisy)...
I am afraid that this health care debate is going to confuse the hell out of most Americans.
I count myself in that number.
I am getting lost over and over here.
Obama actually speaks to the issue that NOT everybody can afford it- so how to help them get it is a problem- he talks about the 15 million Her campaign says won't be covered- what he says is that the number is not right....
His plan would allow Children Under 25 to be on their parent's plan...He wants to LOWER PRems by atleast 2500 per year....( Hill just wants to cap prems where they are now- even if they are sky high- that helps no one )He wants Universal CARE and Coverage..
Hil: she says her plan will cover everyone and will open up the Senate Plans {{{ That is fine-
Now she says that there are people that are not choosing insurance ( what a load of crap..)She Finally comes out against Single Payer , she calls hers "Shared Responsibility" (((( btw that is what Bush says we have NOW....helllO????)She is NOT promoting Anything different..She keeps saying that this is like Edwards...
Obama: we have to bring everyone together so that we can get this done Universal Coverage- BROADCAST THE NEGOGIATIONS ON CSPAN...( Count me in).....NO BACKYDOOR DEALS...no deals...let's have transparency...have the people involved and informed...
Hills ( asked about Secret negotioations in 93)...(which Again is a problem ) We have to change the rules and regs to the Insurance companies- we have to stop that *( she has never said she would work on this issue)- NOW she is also saying that Hospitals would be part of that....Now she is saying that she supports Universal healthcare ( but remember she does NOT support SINGLE payer...so NOTHING will change...Nothing..)She agrees that some of this could be put on cspan ...( not eager for that)she is proposing a coalition to work with the Drug Comps and Insurance....
QUESTION:ARE DEMS RAISING TAXES TO PAY FOR ALL THIS....
OBAMA: is pointing out that the Repugs will bring this issue up- but they have NO room to talk about Fiscal Reponsibility.....he brings up the Repuke track record on that....He says that the Bush tax cuts rolled back alone will pay for it (((( that is actually true )))) He even brings up that the Tax Cuts for the wealthy helps no one....even the weathly don't want or need them.. We need Balance...
Hill: Subsidies for Tax Credits ( what ????) We spend more money than anyone....( yeah, because the COMPANIES are screwing us....not because nurses and docs are not trying to give good care....Insurance is in charge shit...why doesn;t she get this...) Electronic Medical Records she is humping ( Talk about privacy problems shit...and diebold??? helllo,,,,,that is NOT the problem it is NOT the Soltution at all).....
I am going to have to take a short break here in a few minutes.
Number one Keith has a new Special Comments segment coming up and I am a SP junkie.
And number two I have some domestic issues to take care of.
I will continue to watch the debate after Keith and come back after the second part is concluded.
GRYPHEN : I WILL DO AN UPDATE ON HEALTH ISSUES THIS WEEKEND...OKAY? ( I KNOW THIS IS CONFUSING...I HAVE SPENT YEARS STUDYING IT..AND I WILL BE GLAD TO MENTOR, TEACH AND EXPLAIN..OKAY.....MY CAP KEY IS STUCK FOR SOME REASON...YIKES..)
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Tax issue put to bed- they agree...
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Immigration where do they stand on this...and it's effect on Black America 's Economics...( I am sorry but I don;t totally understand this question..I don't think ALL of us feel insecure has much to do with Immigrants)
Obama: Wow ..he is rocking it..Immigraton should not be used to divide ( Huge Applause)....He says that this is NOT the issue- Economics are Effecting Everyone...He presents some solutions that will work regarding status..etc.
Hill: NOW the Illegal question is asked of her....she is saying that it is an issue...that Immigrants are taking jobs ( but she sounds like a repug when she trys to shift the load like this..."Their People" she says..." Her system is different ( but is similiar to some of the repug plans) Registration and pay their way in ( Most can not pay their way in and then they also can not send money home...) NO ID...or Driver Liense ( she has reversed her self again? is she for Drivers ID for Immigrants or not ???)
((( ooops ended up having discussion about Immigration...with 6-6..missed some questions -sorry))))
KEITH SPECIAL COMMENT....MUST SEE ..FISA ISSUE....
so taking a break for KO....
JOHN AMATO C&L IS ON MSNBC AT 10:30 PM EASTERN...WITH KO...
BACK AT DEBATE:::::
QUESTION:
" THE COUNTRY IS LIKE A VERY LARGE BUSINESS AND EITHER OF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE"
Hill: good answer-we are not just a large Business...
Obama: pointing out and view the management styles...brought up Mitt...
DIFFERENT QUESTION:
" Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy both endorsed Obama this week as a NEW kind of leader...how do you feel about that Hillary ?"
Hill; Perdictable...mentioned Bobby;s kids that support her...and that she is ready Day One...blah blah.....
Obama: ( says something about Remembering the Clinton years of 8 years as peace and prosperity....what ????) I don't want to diminish any of those years..we all have to be judged and endorsed for our own merits...we have been seeing Something all across the Country- all kinds of NEW Voters...and we have to bring them in...and embrace them...reach higher..we should not settle for an economy that leaves sooo many behind....schools, foreign policy that leave us unrespected..and WHO can inspire people to get re- engaged with their govt....Every single election the number have been doubled....60% of the New Voters voted for him in Iowa...
Follow up issue:
Generational issue: forClinton : You have claimed that you will bring Change....the person that every election has been Bush or Clinton on the Ticket the writer of question is 38 ( cheers from audience)....
She again is citing Bill's Accomplishments...( sorry but that is not right).
applause.....
Break..
Question:
Ending Iraq War- Withdrawing...HOW and WHEN
Hill: first , still saying same thing...as she always says...1 or 2 brigades a month..she does speak about inheriting this mess...taking into account I hope it will be most out in a year or 16 monthes...
she says that 100,000 civilainds there...
Obama: I will end this war and this Occupation..We will not have the troops there for 100 years....afganhstan, pakistan...latin america, china....we can not neglect our economy or obligations...I do think we need to set a date and send a messege and keep that date...we have to be clear and serious about setting a date- and I also think that we need to be clear about our mission and obligations..4 Million displaced- and that needs to be adddressed. ( If we were worried about Iran -then we should not invaded to begin with ) I never supportd this war the MINDSET taht got us there....
( much applause to begin with ....)
Hill:::: we are having a good time ( fake)
HILL:
((( QUESTION ASKED ABOUT HER IRAQ VOTE ?)))
She presents that she must be able to present herself as Commander In Cheif....I welcome that debate....
Wolf: ( something about Context and Pretaues - which he did not ask Hill- he is soooooo manipilative)
OBama:
I want to get our troops home safely and honorably...the notion that we are succeeded that Bar is Set soooo low it is buried in the sands there...He is rocking the answer -pointing out what the Surge really has COST us...and not improved in the way it is portrayed....I always thought it was a bad idea and bad execution....we need to admit that it was flawed from the begginning...we need to make certain ..and he speaks to this issue much better about what the troops need and have always needed....
Wolf is letting Hill answer it again ( but she already answered it ???) pandering it...as always....
Hill: I believe in Coercisve Diplomacy ( oh that 's great..) She said that we have Use threat of Force ( I don't think that is true to be honest- we have never waged a pre-emptive war or strikes in his fashion....EVER....) oh crikey she is bringing up TERRA and protectiona after 911....*(not the issue- sorry)
Now she is speaking about TERRA....and how we need to hunt them down ( she sounds sooooo repuke when she says that...) now she is just ramblling....
Wolf Is being booed...hehe
Okay now she is Louder and talking about WHY she supported the resolution- She really does get defensive again....this issue is not going away...she is basically sayin that she made a reasoned judgement- and that she does not regret her vote on this...
(that is very very important....)
He fights back that this is NOT okay- she KNEW she was Voting about war...
it is important to BE RIGHT ON issues- there are no do overs- we have to get it right the FIRST time...he is explaining WHY this is a big deal...
and he got the LAST word..
thank heavens...
next there are questions on Character...( oh this will be good)
Hill:
Controlling Bill when she is in the WH ??*question....
She cackles loudly..and she laughes too hard...says "Obama and I both have passionate spouses"...I will consult broadly...( but she NEVER SAYS HOW INVOLVED BILL WILL BE ..)
QUESTION:
DREAM TICKET QUESTION ABOUT BOTH RUNNING TOGETHER..THERE IS BOOING AND APPLAUSE....
asking. ( she is laughing too loudly again...)
Obama " We got alot more road to travel...we have a ways to go....about VP and Cabinet..I want to restore the Greatest in Govt again...People that will say NO to me....I want the Best and the Brightest...
I want to give the American People a Sense that Govt is listening, caring and is on their side...and not that they get this at all levels....that we all know we are working for American People...
( WOLF is still asking But you didn't answer my question....)
( she would be on my short list)
She too doesn't want to answer this question..
( WHAT Dummass wrote this question - was it wolf?????)
Obama laughes and writes down that she is having a town hall on mon night- so Obama writes it down....
Obama is talking with people...
Keith:
Special Edition Countdown:
The Lovein in LA....
Must see....
be back at 10:30 PM.....
Best question of the debate came from Wolf.
To Hillary: "Were you naive about George Bush?"
I just about spit out my drink! I loved it!
Oooh but he is going to get some Hillary campaign hate mail after that!
There were alot of really good questions- also asking about the Iraq War and also the Levinson Amendment.......
This Keith Followup with BLOGGERS IS AWESOME...FINALLY BLOGGERS AND THEIR COMMUNITY-AHEM THAT IS US FOLKS !!!!!
John Amato had the quote of the Interviews talking about Rudy looking like a little lost puppy at the event with Arnie....omg...I almost fell off the bed...
IT was a good debate, the kind of debte we shold have
on to super duper Tuesday!!!
oh yes I HATE republicans
TOM
Thanks Thomas...
It was a great Debate....
we did get to hear issues- finally....
I am mostly glad that neither of them let Wolf bait them....they stuck to expressing themselves and their views- not getting sucked into his bloodthirsty need for blood...sigh...
And yes, watching the Repug Debate and then this- wow striking difference...
I thought it was a really good debate as well. I'm so glad they were cordial to one another and didn't let Wolf get to them. He was really annoying - they booed him once I think.
I wish they had turned up the heat during the debate so that plastic smile on Hillary would begin to melt.
Larry:
sigh.....I just am glad that REAL issues did finally get discussed....( I sent you a Walmart piece to "cheer' your day )
Maui:
It was good to hear ISSUES, I could care less if Stevie Wonder or Jason Alexander were in the audience....
I thought Obama was a real gentleman- holding her chair- etc...He showed he is all class, and also very thoughtful on the Issues...
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