Thursday, January 24, 2008

"No Country for Old Men" ( aka the Repug Debate)....Thursday Eve 1.24.08


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So I am watching the Debate.... and I will Liveblog it in the Comments....
I am still writing notes from the first half hour...it was perdictable- it was about Economics....Tax issues and Restraint of spending....cutting programs blah Blah....NOW they are talking about Iraq all of 5 minutes- that will be in the thread....

( if I was a drinking woman and allowed shots for :"Al Queda " I would be dead with a triple the legal llimit alcohol level)

23 comments:

Fran said...

Oh you are a brave girl. I tried watching the RNC last presidential election & my family tells me I am quite the snorer! Put me right to sleep.

enigma4ever said...

First HALF Hour : was Economics...and perdictable....

Less than 5 MINUTES spent on Iraq....no shit..and how Bush did a good job...Some Alqueda Crap...and how Hussein was a Bad Man..and some more fear mongering and terra Al Queda Crap....and How the Dems are big Runners and Cowards...( those horrible DEMS...)

RON Paul was The ONLY one that Said the WAR was a bad idea and has hurt America and yes he got applause....

The Rest of them were ALL Let's keep them there forever.....( NO REALITY at all...unreal)....

Okay they spent 5 mintues on Iraq...there was a potty break ...and NOW it is Man -On-Man battle time ( cough gag cough)....

Mitt and Rudy : had some kind of discussion....blah bah...

McCain To Huck" about the Tax and IRS ideas that he has.....Huck is answering...McCain looks confused....( He brought up that pimps and hookers don't pay taxes ..I have no idea what that was about...now he is talking about embedded taxes...and he is proposing a 30% sales tax...I will be honest I don't understand this system that he is proposing..)

Ron Paul to McCain: about Economy....McCain says he would rely on the Sec and cabinet would take care of those details ...and he names people from the 80's ( oh that 's just dandy...)

HUCK to Romney : Oh boy a GUN question ( I love it when big men argue about How Wonderful Assault weapons are for all of us ....and the deer..)Mitt defends his Manhood...oh good..

( My answer about GUN issues- let's let Virginia Tech decide ALL gun laws....they have more insight and wisdom than any of us..)

Rudy to Mitt: ( Rudy has a lisp...more pronounced than I remember) Abotu Catsastrophic Insurance...what is your position... Mitt says YES...BUT..there is a but ....

Now the Man-a-man Section has ended......( my that was exciting.....)

Larry said...

You're stronger than I am. I can't even watch the Clinton's any longer.

enigma4ever said...

10Pm we have heard 5 minutes on Iraq...and NOTHING on Health Care....25 minutes on Economics - snooooreeeeee...

( only 25 minutes left....)

Brian: asked Rudy about his Postive image.."It is a very competitive campaign...they all are in a False Sense of Security....we are going to come from behind" ( omg I think he believes this...)

McCain : ( Brian asked about his Mother of 95 about her saying that she said that the GOP will have to hold their nose and nominate my son")
He says I am proud of my list of Judges ( ???what that has to do with the question???who knows) I can make America safer ( cough)...Something about Stweardship and Climate Change and Isreal ( I lost what Isreal has to do with Climate Change ?okey doky).....Bridge to Nowhere I was opposed ( that's nice).....( BTW his melanoma looks worse- he can hardly open his mouth...on the Left side)

Russert: Crap: he asked Romney about Bill and Hill running as a Team....If it is Hill that is WHO I am running agains- she is out of step with the American People....and he sits and babbles about HOW her plans for the govt. Bill and Hill have been in DC too long ( omg I can't believe he said that)...I am going to it the Ronnie Reagon way...( gag cough).....

Russert ( asked Romeny about how much his OWN money and how much he has spent) I will release that info. on Jan30 by law...Romney" I will not say until then, it is a matter of competition ( So he does not want the voters to know) I am by far the biggest contributors to the campaign....I care deeply and I am using that money to change this country ( urgh)

Brian: 44% say that they would have a hard time with a Mormon Prez....Mitt: I don't think that is true...I don't believe it.

enigma4ever said...

No larry I think I have indeed lost my mind...

enigma4ever said...

Mitt:
I don't think Religion will be an issue in this campaign ( gee- I don't think Huck would like that answer)


Ron: asked by Russert about the SS program...and what it needs ( he had said in the past it should be abolished).....Okay he is talking about this- and I got a bit lost in what he said- but he said it is a failure and does not work and that the young people should be able to get out of the program ( which the young fund the older folks- so how will that work ??)

HUCK: Russert asked him about Entitlement programs....and SS program...Huck changed the subject- and said that Mitt should give his money to his sons, and let him have the country ( odd, a couple of dry laughs)...Mitt- wry smile (*"you ass" )....Now he is talking about a Fair Tax....Russert is arguing with him...( why?) Huck said that we need to try the Unlikely....

Romeny: Russert asked "Will you do what Ronnie did" Will you raise taxes ? No, I won't raise taxes says mitt...SS problems need to be worked out , we need to work with the DEMS , personal accounts ( toolate asshole)....Cap wages ( say what?) and change retirement age "PUSH IT OUT A BIT" ( yeah , HOW much ????10 years ? Death ?)
Let's not scare people that are near or about to retire....30 and 40 year olds will have to make changes....( like work forever)...

RUDY: asked question about HOW ALL Americans should speak English ( shit that means that Buish could not be a citixen)....we would stop them at the border ( what by asking if they speak English ????)
REAL ID card ( oh, that 's right he is a big friend and fan of Chertoff...I forgot..)

Russert: is asking about the Wet Foot and Dry Foot policy...Rudy is looking jittery....blah blah...Castro is horrible ....( hmmhten why is Gitmo there I want to know??? ) sorry I was not paying attention he was rambling....

HUCK "Questin: Chuck Norris recently said that McCain is too old....Do you agree" Huck said he would not disagree with Chuck while standing there with him....I don' t think that is an issue...he is fit and viable....( polite laughter)

McCain: Sylvester Stallone has endorsed me so I am not worried....( something about Stormin' Norman)

Last part ( oh thank god)

Brian:Something about Endorsements...and how NY papers are endorsing McCain ( NOT Rudy)n and Hill ( oh, I am sooooo shocked..)

Rudy: NYT did not ever support me or like me, I showed true compassion ( where is my bucket).....I worked for Ron Reagon ( he did???) The reality is that there are some of the idealogial differences...

MITT: Brian : YOU change positions in the wind...are you the most disliked. He blinks and looks cute.." I am going to DC to make Change " ( what the hell does that mean)...Something about abortion ( what???)....now Marriage ( I fought it ??)
okay...I ran to break up a Cat fight...sorry...

HUCK: asked something about religion....blah blah....Faith is an important part of Being an American...( blah blah....)

Ron Paul: Asked about how he might start a 3rd party....I have been elected 10 times as a Repug..we don't act like republicans...we used to stop wars...but now we start them..we have lost our way.....the party is getting smaller...He mentions the Constitution....( the others just look confused)...

NOW the audience is allowed to clap....or throw up... or heave and hurl as needed....

Good Night..that's all folks.....

( Ron paul people make noise- otherwise VERY quiet..very...)

Larry said...

Another Tweety lovefest for McCain.

enigma4ever said...

Oh my the Trophy Women have arrived on stage....the men are trying to look chummy.....back pats....hand shakes...Mrs Huck stands looking lost ( like she lost her dog)......Mrs McCain looking ravishing in something other than purple....Mrs Romney in Red..looking very lovely.....Mrs Huck keeps reading her phone....wow McCain has left the stage already....Roney is down pressing the flesh....

The "crowd" dispersed within minutes...they fled like Kichen Roaches....

enigma4ever said...

Larry: I can not watch Tweety..I really can't ....I might have to heave something at my tv...my poor little tv...

Renegade Eye said...

Everything about Reaganism is dead,

enigma4ever said...

oh Renegade-
Reagon also would have made a good drinking game on the debate...

( Someone should tell these guys that Reagon is dead... and buried ??)

Bustednuckles said...

Fortunately for me, I have been busier than a cat burying shit on a hot tin roof all day and I am going to intentionally miss this, if I haven't already.
I missed the FISA Fiasco also,but that one I wanted to follow.Can't have everything I guess.
The one thing I am interested in regarding Republican scumbags is seeing Rudy get kicked to the curb with his pants around his ankles, clutching his pearls, so to speak.

enigma4ever said...

MrKnuckles:
I confess I wanted to see if Rudy was going to bumble through this ( without his 911 cloak) and Huck ( would Jesus rescue him), and McCain ( would his age be mentioned or his 100 Yr War Plan), and Ron Paul ( would they ask him is he a REAL repug- they did)...and Mitt ( HOW much of your money have you spent on buying the Presidency)...and I was also VERY
interested to see if they spent ANY time on the Iraq issue.....or healthcare...NONE....and 5 WHOLE minutes on Iraq....

And they all seem to think they are running against Hill...well I think we need to change that...

Now here by the Big Lake is it 5 degrees tonight...but that ROOM there seemed VERY COLD....much colder....

( I know I should not watch these...but I want to know WHAT they are doing and saying...because I keep thinking that will help me figure it out....right?)

enigma4ever said...

oh my....6-6 pointed out that Lincoln is playing cards in the photo???

Batocchio said...

Wow, that's stamina!

I try to listen to them, just to know the crap they're selling this time around. But I sometimes have to turn it off after a while.

Jamie said...

I was only able to watch in the company of political blog friends. Spent the whole two hours somewhere between stultifying boredom and abject fear that any of them might end up a resident of 1600

D.K. Raed said...

Great photo! It does kinda look like Lincoln with an old shabby coat, torn at the shoulder/armpit.

Enigma, I don't know HOW you do it. I tried to watch a few minutes. Actually heard the crowd clap twice: once when host mentions large % of americans are fed up w/iraq & once again when R.Paul wants to pull out of iraq.

After I couldn't stand it (which was very quickly), I turned the station to watch From Dusk Til Dawn, preferring a Taratino vampire bloodbath to any more repuking.

So really, your LiveBlog is all I've seen about it! I have no idea what The Huck means by embedded taxes, but I do know that repub idea of a national sales tax vs fed income tax is creeping up to a higher percentage everytime they talk about it. It used to be 20%, but now 30%? And I also know it will be a disaster for all middle class & lower income earners, whose current rates are 15-25% of net taxable income (income that has been reduced by various deductions & credits, incl personal exemption, etc). People in this bracket generally spend their WHOLE income buying what they need to live. For them, this idea of a national sales tax spells a BIG decrease of available income. If anyone has any doubts about this, they should do the math themselves. This idea has been floating around for decades & it never flies because eventually people realize they'd rather file a tax return & get all the exemptions & credits than pay more on every single purchase. It only helps people who are earning so much, they can't actually spend it all. Oh & it'll also mean banks can now pay lower interest rates to savers, so it's a win-win for fat cats.

And about SS, well we all know there is one fix that works (that no GoP or Hill will endorse) and that is raising the cap on income subject to FICA payroll tax. That MUST be what Romney said, although he probably said it derisively because they all want privitizing, not fairness in payroll taxes. The current cap is $97,500. People who earn more than that ea yr pay ZERO payroll taxes on the amt that exceeds $97,500. This penalizes EVERYONE who earns less than that per year. And we are talking every single individual, not household income. So in a dual-income household where EACH earn less than $97K, they are EACH paying 6.2% of their gross earnings. If they are self-employed, it's 12.4% of their earnings, EACH.

OK, so much for my tax analysis! PS, I'd like to ask any of those privitizing supporters how happy they think everyone would be right now if Bush had implemented that. It would be sheer panic now, which it almost is anyway among investors, because people would be seeing their RETIREMENT money slipping away down a rathole.

enigma4ever said...

DK: well, I can tell you that they were indeed planning your rathole retirement plan ( BTW YOU explained it MUCH better...me- I have trouble understanding anything that Huck says about it- and anyone that waxes and wanes between geesus and money and talks folksy- makes me uncomfortable- I figured out that he reminds me of the the Conman Dad in Paper Moon- the character Moses -played by Ryan O"Neal)

And yes, I did watch it twice and still did not get it...sigh....

Jamie: I know that I do not want ANY of them at 1600, it was really striking how scary they are - their own people fled the room afterwords....it was really strange....they did not stay and press the flesh or greet or handshake- yet no people went to the stage to do that...it was definently the quietest debate that I have ever seen, esp after the War was discussed for 5 WHOLE minutes...

Battohio: sadly I did and do just listen because I want to know WHAT they are scheming.....and planning...

Christopher said...

Enigma,

Stop by when you have a chance.

I've post the picture of Hillary standing, beaming, alongside Tony Rezko.

The Clintons are towering, ruthless hypocrites.

an average patriot said...

enigma
I didn't watch it as I knew it would be hogwash but I have been hearing throughout the day that they focused on the economy which is a lost cause after what Bush has done to it though I absolutely believe if it is fixed we will be the ones to do it. They also wasted their time attacking Hillary. She will defeat herself and Obama will be the Man!

enigma4ever said...

Patriot:
I hope that Obama prevails....I thought there attacks on Hill, were just distraction...so they would not have to attack...cough...admit the Bush Failures...and for some reason...cough...none want to do THAT......and how they could talk Economy for over 40 minutes and not talk about the combined effects of the War and Healthcare on the Domestic Economy is beyond me....

Christopher:
Yahooooooooo....well well....SOME people act like they have no Dirt in their pasts...and that is not wise....at all...( BTW I did research the whole issue in Obama's past- and it is also been cleared up on other websites- alot of Nothing about Nothing)....by the way Shouldn't Hill be a little worried about HSU ? just wondering...

TomCat said...

I couldn't watch the GOP debate, because I was doing volunteer work at that time in the prison. I think the people I was helping (convicted, murderers, robbers, etc.) are a far less criminal bunch.

enigma4ever said...

Tomcat...
love your new avatar...
and yes, you were doing a good thing...
and about the Criminals...you said it friend...