Saturday, August 16, 2008

Time For the Saddleback Event....and Brownies..and Tums...Open thread in the Comments


{{ The Smart ass in me would want them to be questioned about Jesus and Torture and bombing other countries and Poverty and people without Healthcare....See I think Jesus would be very very unhappy about what has happened, the lack of compassion and empathy...actually I think he would be devastated.....but hey that is me just me....I think it is very possible to be very spiritual and not be religous, if that makes sense...and I think Thomas Jefferson would have wanted the Seperation of Church and State to be perserved...sigh....)

DK sent a really funny Video over...it is linked in the Title...Open Thread in the Comments- Sadlleback, Olympics or ???

Brownie Receipe over at NAKED SUSHI....my food blog...
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  • 42 comments:

    Randal Graves said...

    The Brownies don't play until Monday. I hope they're special this year. ;-)

    enigma4ever said...

    hehe...Randall...
    I meant Brownies to eat silly...

    ( our Brownies are looking good though eh?)

    enigma4ever said...

    Meanwhile the NBC OZone- is showing the marathon- will look for Phelps...

    Shuster is explaining the Rules...Wooohooo...Obama is first....for an hour..and McGramps is second...( Obama won the coin flip and McGramps is in a cone of silence just like a real Beauty pagent...)

    Interview format...

    No Seperation of Faith and Politics...hmmm...okay , this could be interesting...

    Rick Warren is explaining how this will work....
    Topics:Leadership..Stewardship,World Relations..and 2 I missed...

    Warm Applause, standing ovation....Obama looking relaxed...no tie...oh, good he is wearing the flagpin... ( oh dear verse...to start with)

    3 Wisest People in your life:
    ( excluding his wife and Rick..talking about his grandmother....)And about the Presidency...won't restrict to 3 people...Nunn and Lugar to Kennedy...and Coburn..naming names...have a table with alot of different points of view...and I can poke and prod and ask questions .....and he wants his assumptions challenged...

    INTEGRITY AND LOVE, WHAT IS YOUR GREATEST MORAL FAILURE AND OUR COUNTRYS..
    O:
    I did not have a father present- I drank did drugs, I was selfish...I could not focus on others..it is not about ME....so I had to learn to make it about others....when I take the wrong step..I am looking out for me- and not doing Gods work...Greatest Moral Failure..for this country...quoting about in Matthew about Doing the least for my brothers you do for me- it applies to poverty, racsism and opportunity for others etcetc...we don't spend enough time thinking about the least of us...

    QUESTION: CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU WENT AGAINST YOUR OWN INTEREST IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNTRY
    O:
    something about McCain and Reform for the govt workers...and he even worked with mccain on...
    smooth and unflustered...humor and real...seems very thoughtful and relaxed.....ABOUT THE WAR AND NOT GOING INTO THE WAR- AND THAT WAS A TIME I DID WHAT I THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY,...( GOOD TO GET THAT IN )

    QUESTION ABOUT FLIFLOPPING- WHAT DO YOU THINK NAME SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE DIFFERENTLY..
    O:

    ( ooops kitty battle- be right back)

    Gryphen said...

    Not one hand clap when Barack mentioned speaking out against the war before it began.

    That is not good.

    enigma4ever said...

    Gman::
    this is Bush Land- Orange County...RICH repugs....
    deep breath...
    Some applause is good- bible verse dropping will go far...respect for wife and mother..all good steps...and he is being honest..good so far...

    (these are people that are still deluded about the war- because it means not supporting the Repug stance...the patriotic crapola)

    Last question I missed typing was
    "What was your most Gut wrenching moment/decision"

    He seemed to do okay , talked about caring for the troops..

    Gryphen said...

    Abortion questions?

    Marriage amendments?

    Oh Barack my friend we are in dangerous waters indeed!

    enigma4ever said...

    QUESTION:::: ( THIS WILL HELP OBAMA...get rid of the Muslim Myth)

    World View;;;Minefields of America...??? Faith in geesus what does that mean daily ????

    O::::
    that I dont walk alone...Obligation....that God has expectations...and I am obligated to love Justice and walk Humbly...Maybe I can do better tomorrow...makes me try things..( applause)

    *** McGramps is going to struggle with this question****

    ABORTION QUESTION....YIKES..HER WE GO...

    O:
    theological vs science ( good )....this is above my paygrade to be specifice...but the country wrestles with this- there is a moral and ethical struggle with this...I am PRO CHOICE....I am PRO WOMAN....(this rocks- good- the Hillbots should be thrilled)...
    I think we can find Common Ground....Abortions have not gone down...he does mention issues of mothers health...He turned it into a Pregnancy question- that was smart...

    15 Other Questions::::
    MARRIAGE:::
    O::
    Man and Woman - Huge applause...
    Marriage is not defined in the Constitution....so it can not be a Constitutional amendment...I do believe and respect Civil Unions for gays...APPLAUSE

    Q:STEM CELL QUESTION:::
    O:
    explaining what and how the cells are collected and used....this is about research...and adult lines and versus about Research.....he is explaining WHY it matters to Scientists- that they have morals and ethics in what they do and why they do it....( wow dispelling the Mad Scientist Question..)

    Q:DOES EVIL EXIST AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT
    O:
    we see evil in darfur, and in our cities, it is real....child abuse...and it has to be confronted squarely we can be soldiers for Justice and we must be humble about how we confront it....alot of evil has been perpetrated by people saying that they are doing good ( GEEE I hope jackass bush is watchin )

    Q:::DOMESTIC ISSUES:
    Courts: Which Supreme Court Justice would you have nominated??
    O::::....Clarence Thomas, he does not have experience...but constitutional differences..
    Scalia no.....and Roberts- I still don;t agree with...and here is why....Explaining the Supreme Court...Encroachemnt of the Executive Branch and he has been too eager to help the WH.....

    Q::FAITH BASED ORGS - VALUE?
    Federal Funding issue
    O:::
    he promotes and embraces ALL hands on deck..

    enigma4ever said...

    Gman::
    he Knew that ALL of these were going to come up...he is actually doing okay....so far...( mcCain is gonna have some trouble..)

    Now he ( Rick) is talking about Katrina....

    O::
    Devil is in the details and the funding issue should be about level playing funds and that there is no descrimination....( cough like Operation Blessing that robs the govt daily)..

    QUESTION:
    INCARCINATION VS EDUCATION AND MERIT PAY....
    SHOULD BETTER TEACHERS GET BETTER PAY::
    O::
    IT should be set up with the teachers....and by the teachers....it is a profession

    ( gee let;s talk nursing too)
    APPLAUSE....

    Q::: TAXES . DEFINE RICH....( THEY LAUGH-0 SHITHEADS)

    O::
    if you have book sales of 25 million...ahem...RIck says I am not asking about me... a light moment...( good rich people can laugh about being rich...)
    150,000 down middle class

    More than 250,000 then you are doing well....it is about not leaving people behind and we need to invvest in our community and our people....and he mentioned about money being invested in the war- nobody likes that-APPLAUSE...

    BALANCE AND FAIRNESSS IS WHAT WE NEED....

    Christopher said...

    I couldn't care less what these lunatic, conservative Christians say or think.

    They can all kiss my ass.

    enigma4ever said...

    I missed the question- went to get iced tea....sorry

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    QUESTION ABOUT TROOPS AND ENDING GENOCIDE?

    O::
    work with others in the International community- and appplause....

    example about Bosnia...yes we went in without UN approval...

    QUESTION:
    148 MILLION ORPHANS...IN ORPHANAGES...WOULD YOU DO SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY ACTION....
    O:::
    I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT...
    HOW do we do this- and also preventing more orphans about helping to build a Health Infrastructure around the world...applause....

    QUESTION:::
    RELIGOUS PERSECUTION:::
    O::
    BEAR WITNES AND SPEAK OUT... ie china is a very complicated...etc...we should lead by example...WOW he brought up issues of torture- and it got applause....

    QUESTION::: HUMAN SLAVERY AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING....
    O:
    TOP PRIORITY...Prosectution..etc...and take awaty the $$$$ and humanity...

    ( Just an aside this is actually alot better than I thought it would be- and better than any debate I saw.....)

    QUESTION IN A MINUTE ABOUT WHY YOU WANT TO BE PREZ...
    O:::
    MY MOM...if I thought that I was being mean and not showing empathy....and that we care about each other we are at a critical juncture...our children's future is at stake....I think I can build bridges and help people to work together- Alot of applause and whhhops...

    QUESTION::::
    WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO PEOPLE ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS:::
    O:
    WE NEED TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND DIALOGUES...WE NEED TO TALK...I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ME WELL...

    wow....WOW...he rocked it...
    SOLVING BIG PROBLEMS IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY...AND THAT WE ALL HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE AND SACRIFICE AND WORK TOGETHER....
    GREAT APPLAISE AND STANDING OVATION...WOW.......

    IT WENT MUCH BETTER THAN I EXPECTED....WOW...

    enigma4ever said...

    Chris:: the funny thing is these are MUCH better questions than ABC or anyone else asked...
    These are real issues.....about people...I am not a Christian, but I do respect the questions....and to be honest I think McGramps will have a hard time...( hehe)

    enigma4ever said...

    MCCain::
    3 wise people: ( get your flags out it will be all military people)
    (1)Betray-us
    (2) John Lewis ( WHO???is that )
    (3) Meg Whitman CEO of Ebay ...cuz we are in hard economic times ( hmm I thought he said we are doing okay)

    Number 2::::
    About Leaders being Ineffective- Greatest Moral Failure Questions ( he is stumped)

    MY moral Failings:
    (1) My marriage ,..first one.( oh fucking gag me- sorry Carol,,,,,,I will now hump you for my goal)
    (2) Our Country should not have told people to got shopping but in missions around the world....pandering..."it is not about you" serve a cause...blah blah...

    Applaiuse...

    Question 3:::
    ( am already sick of him and his pandering...)
    McGramps talks about all the things that he does not get along with others...oh my he is being so sweet ( what meds is he on...)

    Okay I need to go check NBC for Phelps....
    ( he is balthering about Reagon)

    enigma4ever said...

    Okay Flipflopping Question:::
    M:
    he looks puzzled...offshore drilling...and he gets applause...( shithead)....

    oh and now he is telling his POW stories...blah blah....
    ( liar liar....according to people that were there with him...I am sorry but being a POW does not make one a good Leader..sorry)


    okay back to the NBC check...

    Kellybelle said...

    thanks 4 posting this--my nerves are bad and I was afraid to watch. Sounds like brought it--reminding the Rel. Right of the least of these! Remember: Jesus rode a donkey, not an elephant. ;-)

    enigma4ever said...

    Now Heartland World View Questions...
    about being a Christian..what kind of Christian
    M:

    I am saved and forgiven...oh crikey MORE war stories- lordy- okay so now I am off to NBC...sorry but being a POW does not make one a good person or good leader....enuf said....
    Womans Marathon is still on....

    Kellybelle said...

    sounds like Barack brought it, I meant to say

    enigma4ever said...

    Kelly::: hey there...yeah Obama did great ...I liked that he answered based on his own faith and conscience- McCain has been basically saying his stomp speech...that is not answering the deeper questions....

    okay I am back ..( had to check on the marathon)

    Marriage:::
    McCain...Says he is a Federalist..."legal agreements" okay he is not answering...One man and One Woman...( yeah - his divorce was not even final and he married Cindy- but that is different) he got through without even mentioning gay issues ( so I guess he does not think that is worth mentioning)

    Stem Cell:::::
    About that he is Prolife ( he is ? ) he side stepped...

    EVIL Question:::
    Does it exist ? what to do...

    " Defeat it" ( that is it ????geez...if he say one more time about MY friends and now he says About following Osama to hell- o crikey - Islamfascism blah blah....he and Leiberman have been drinking the Kooolaid..and now he talks about "wining in Iraq- lordy- and now that threat is AROUND the world....shit on rye- what a load)

    Long struggle...( he is clueless what hate he is feeing)


    Q::: Stewardship::;
    COURTS Question::::
    Which would you not have nominated..Breyer, Sutter and Ginsberg, and Stevens ( shithead ALL the DEMS.....that is not right- it is NOT supposed to be about POLITICS -SHITHEAD...)

    enigma4ever said...

    asskissing about Alito and Roberts...loves them blah blah..

    Q::::Faith based orgs::
    M:
    does not want to cripple orgs...and here comes another story- and he talks about HOW he went to NOLA- what a load of horsehit....and lying...(((

    ((((he was partying with Bush that week- I posted the photos)))

    Q:::: EDUCATION VS INCARCINATION AND ABOUT TEACHERS::
    FIND BAD TEACHERS A NOTHER LINE OR WORK...

    ( NO WAY...THAT IS AN ANSWER- THAT IS NOT FUNNY)

    DivaJood said...

    I'm giving you an award, m'dear.

    enigma4ever said...

    Kellybelle::
    yeah, he did great- he actually did better than I even expected....because this is a difficult place ....and MCCain is just pandering and kissing ass here ...but he is not telling the truth...alot of Military answers though...

    *****************
    Question:::
    On taxes - Define Rich:::

    M::::
    some of the richest are the most unhappy ( gee sorry Cindy)...it should be measured by what people have , I don't want to take any money from the rich ( thanks)....

    Let's keep taxes low...( ahh he did not answer the questions- this is just his stomp speech recycled- 5 million is rich????yeah right)

    {{{ the thing is that this Matters and NONE of this is reality based- people are hurting in this country- and NO ONE in the RNC wants to admit it))))

    enigma4ever said...

    Diva :::
    oh an award...gee I hope it has chocolate sauce :-)


    ( or maybe an engraved puke bucket)

    Gryphen said...

    The thing that stands out about McCain is that he was clearly coached on how to get those Christian buzzwords into his answers and garner some applause from the audience.

    And when he isn't pandering to the bible thumpers he is shaping all of his answers to be about his military career, his love of war, and about the soldiers that he claims to love.

    Did you hear how hard he stressed his desire to choose conservative judges? That answer alone should make every PUMA member rip up their membership card and run to volunteer for the Obama campaign. Because with John McCain as President you can kiss your right to choose goodbye.

    enigma4ever said...

    M::
    I know our best days are ahead ...

    Question::
    Right to Privacy vs Security What to do::

    M:::
    about unions ?? and secret ballots ( not on subject)........ Now he is talking about the enemy can commnunicate in cyberspace...Okay GOOD BYE FREEDOMS- that means it will get WORSE....shit...

    GROAN>>>REACHING FOR TUMS...AND MYLANTA...SHIT..

    BREAK...GOTTA GO CHECK FOR PHELPS- HE IS SUPPOSED TO SWIM AT SOMETIME BETWEEN 9:45 AND 10PM....SHOOT...

    okay be right back..

    enigma4ever said...

    M::
    I know our best days are ahead ...

    Question::
    Right to Privacy vs Security What to do::

    M:::
    about unions ?? and secret ballots ( not on subject)........ Now he is talking about the enemy can commnunicate in cyberspace...Okay GOOD BYE FREEDOMS- that means it will get WORSE....shit...

    GROAN>>>REACHING FOR TUMS...AND MYLANTA...SHIT..

    BREAK...GOTTA GO CHECK FOR PHELPS- HE IS SUPPOSED TO SWIM AT SOMETIME BETWEEN 9:45 AND 10PM....SHOOT...

    okay be right back..

    enigma4ever said...

    Gman:::yup you nailed it...you did indeed...wow...

    **********************
    Okay On to Stewardship...
    Worth dying for and committing lives for

    M:::
    Freedom..liberty....( huh) Security.......wars are worth protecting those things ( hiuh) ...beacon of light crap....Reagon crap....history crap....shed blood for freedom...crap...won cold war without firing a shot...evil communism ...oh now he wants to talk about georgia- and Rick cut him off and brought up Darfur- and he won't talk about .....

    ( and now he talks about Rawanda blah blah .....and how Cindy went with Dr Frist blah blahd)

    and he talks about how Darfur is complicated and it is about supplying arms ....and about Georgia and how sad he is and Russians are trying to re-emerge.....blah blah....( he is spewing crap- now he is saying that it is a Christian nation that is being harmed- he is really fearmongering NOW).....

    enigma4ever said...

    So Russians are Evil my Friend...what a fuckhead..geez....

    polite banter...

    OUR Judeo Christian Principles....fuck that--- there are other people in this country- we are NOT all Christians....what about Muslims ? Hindus? Buddhists? OTHER Faithful people do good things in this country....and NOT all are evil....

    enigma4ever said...

    okay off to watch the Marathon folks and Phelps....sorry- I did the best I could..I will put 3 $ in the FOUL jar....thanks for the company ;-)

    *********************

    enigma4ever said...

    SWIMMING...

    DARIA TORRES WILL SWIM FIRST:::
    let's hope for Gold for this mom...41 years old..how cool would that be,....take your marks- here we go....Torres got a Silver...lost by 1;100 th of a second...damn...but great silver......






    {{{*BTW ...THE ROMANIAN MOM THAT HAS A TEENAGER WON THE MARATHON....WOOHOOOO...}}}}

    Mariamariacuchita said...

    enigma, scoot your butt over to Ingrid's and read up. I met her today. very very strange and wonderful story.

    enigma4ever said...

    Maria:::
    Oh wonderful ;-=)

    I have been trying to get you and Blueberry and Ingrid to all meet each other ;-)

    enigma4ever said...

    Womens Relay:::
    Here we go at 10:47 PM....
    Coughlin is Backstroke.....looking good....got the lead...phew....( American Record)

    Rebecca Soni- Breathstroke........lane 3 is us....wow...she is doing great....

    Magniuson for FLy....her we go....Both AUssies and US are above WR......here goes TOrrres....whoa...Torres is giving the Aussie hell....Silver WR time......wow...52,.47..wow....

    hmm scores still not being put up..hmmm

    enigma4ever said...

    Wisdom from Daria Torres 42 year Old Mom...

    "Don't put your age limits on your dreams"....

    enigma4ever said...

    11:02 PM::::
    Phelps any second now....17000 there in the Cube to watch...Kobe and Lebron there...Can this be his Number 8 ????Let's see...

    US team will lane 4...next to the Aussies....

    Phelps will sing the 3rd leg- the fly....

    ( okay lining up...Japan, Great Britian, New Zealand, Italy)

    Persol, then Hansen then Phelps...and then Lisak...

    Okay....11:07...here we go...

    Peirsol looks good- Lane 4....Piersol won his match,.....

    NOW ....
    Hansen......looking really good....Breast stroke...WR pace....

    Okay Phelps....here we go...
    after the wall he has the lead....

    Lissak is on fire....Holy shit....THEY did it...WOW....

    enigma4ever said...

    Okay...time to watch the 6-6 Jamica Guy_ BOLT...they call him Lightening....

    enigma4ever said...

    Holy Shit....omg...he did indeed WIN..and set a record..I have never ever seen anyone run that way...holy cow....wow...he wears golden shoes....Trinidad got bronze..and Walter Dix Silver for the USA...wow...

    enigma4ever said...

    100 M - 9.69..wow...that is amazing...so this is a World Record...and he goes and gives his mom a hug...first Gold for his country...wonderful...

    enigma4ever said...

    the officials estimate that he ran 30 MPH..wow...that is like a car..

    enigma4ever said...

    Back to the Faith-a-thon:::
    a smart blogger over at Huffpost...
    Other questions that weren't asked:

    1. "Since the planet is only 5,000 years old, did cavemen ride dinosaurs or are dinosaurs just a conspiracy theory created by atheist scientists?"

    2. "How many exorcisms have you attended this year?"

    3. "Are you the Anti-Christ?"

    4. "Where would Jesus drill?"

    5. "Is Satan a Democrat or will he be voting for Nader again?"

    thepoetryman said...

    Evolution must not exist in the US... I mean the day when the question of ones faith enters into politics in such a forum we are in some major trouble despite who gets elected. Separation of Church and State was designed to keep the church from infringing on the state and this is just the warm up for Theocracy. One inch at a time. One baby step here and another there. One small step for man and one giant step backwards for mankind.

    The tale about the Vietnamese marking the ground with a cross with his foot and McCain saying to the audience the syrupy bullshit of "We were just two "christians" standing there." I threw up. The whole event was bullshite.

    Yes. These citizens votes do matter, but the ideas behind the questions and the forum is dangerous for democracy.

    I do agree that the questions were better than ABC...but I am not in favor of religion playing a primary role in our politics. Period.

    enigma4ever said...

    Poetryman::
    I am sorry- I liveblogged it- just to document what was said...I mostly wanted to hear what was said- like eavesdropping at this point...I agree with you- it deeply saddens me to have this happen- that religion has in any way entered politics- I find it disgusting in all forms- if you read the thread where I liveblogged- you can see that...

    This is not what the founding fathers wanted- at all.....

    And I know that the Evangelical vote did bring in numbers for king Dumass the last two elections- and that is absurd...and now we also know how dangerous...

    And yes, I could not listen to mccain without my stomach turning- and I am sorry but being a POW does not make anyone a good leader- it is that simple- and boy he really humped it didn't he....

    I hate liveblogging the debates and all of this...but a year from now I want to be able to KNOW what happened...and what went wrong or right...for me- the nurse part of me- it is like documenting a really bad car accident....

    I just write what I see ( and there are some rude comments and cussing along the way...

    So sorry friend...

    D.K. Raed said...

    Just wanted to say you did a great job liveblogging it! I hated the whole thing. I know where the Saddleback MegaChurch is & I know the people in Orange County. They are very conservative and mostly wealthy and were huge Reagan fans. There was one nice moment back in 1996 when Clinton ran against Dole and the Orange County Republican Women's Voter Group would not endorse Dole. They issued a statement that the religious right had hijacked their party and they were not going to endorse or vote repub until the evangelicals broke away to start their own party. I'm guessing these women either moved away, turned Dem or sheepishly came back to the repub fold.

    OK, re the Flying Leap O'Faith Night:

    How many times can McCain say My Friends? My ears were bleeding.

    The Supreme Court ... how convenient he named all the libs as judges he would not nominate. He must be so proud of himself for pandering. He voted approving every single one of their nominations!

    The christian POW guard story ... I'm sorry but why did he assume the guard was a christian? I was thinking he was just a sympathetic guard who was trying to give some mental aid to the POWs. Scratching a cross in the sand at Xmas does not mean he was a christian. If McCain was less of a thug, he might've recognized that it was just a humanitarian gesture.

    enigma4ever said...

    DK::
    oh thanks..I appreciate that..I really do...I hate liveblogging all this- but as I told Poetryman -it must be done...so there you go- I know he told his damn POW stories AGAIN- and did not answer the questions....it was disgusting..So good he went second .....and we got to hear Obama first...