( More Stones...."Sympathy for the Devil" Click the title)
Thursday, October 02, 2008
LIVEBLOGGING THE DEBATE....THREAD NUMBER 2...(after we hit 100)
( More Stones...."Sympathy for the Devil" Click the title)
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Yeah, tell us Palin, how it's gonna be different from George Bush's!
nUCLEAR WEAPONS WD BE THE END ALL AND THE BE ALL TO TOO MANY PEOPLE
why doesnt she just fax in the talking points
she has no authority no passion no credibility
no nothing
she is terrbile
Does she hate Barack?
I heard her lipliner was tattooed on.
she is such a simpleton
she should be serving tea at PTA lunches
oh she has done that
AND NOW FOR THE NU-QUE-LER SEGMENT OF OUR SHOW.
MY OPINION-- IF YOU CAN'T PRONOUNCE THE WORD, YOU SHOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE THE BUTTON.
Okay - Phew Maria made it - hope the rest make it up...
She does NOT answer a single question Gwen asked about NUKES and SO now she wants to talk about Afgansitan...????
What the hell is she talking about and Now she is lying and rambling again..
"We WILL WIN too"...
Biden is correcting her LIES about Afganistan...
you know the right wing punditry is gonna HAIL her tomorrow as the second coming
She keeps looking down like she has an "amused"/"embarrassed" look on.
she is so out of her league == but watch people just ignore that
she really sounds like Charlie McCarthy
Kelly, HAHAHAHA...Big bucket of Awesome.
Have I mentioned to you guys the many lovely attributes of Hornsby's hard cider, because I am on my second since this thing began.
And I am not a drinker.
Also, interesting note: everytime a Republican lies, the evil-doers kill a kitten.
And I LOVE KITTENS.
No, it's beauty contest...
Biden is really hitting a good stride.
how many times has she said Ahmedinijah (or whatever his name is)
Is Barbie really trying to correct Biden on national defense matters?
OMG, LOOK AT HER BACK THERE IS A SQUARE ON THE RBACK JUST LIKE BUSH HAD- YOU COULD SEE IT WHEN SHE TURNED.....
SARAH HAS THAT DARN YOU JOE, QUIT BRINGIN' UP MCCAIN'S ACTUAL VOTING RECORD. YOU ARE REALLY PISSIN' ME OFF.
he is so much better than her -- there is no contest -- but the pundits will laud her "hanging in there"
I can't wait to hear Colbert opine about her "naughty librarian" look
Bullshit. I hate to swear. What is this Seventeen magazine?
she thinks she is SO fucking cute and funny
( Kelly you are funny..hmmm hard cider...and so grypohen , made it up...and dcap, and maria...and fran..did we lose anyone...?)
Biden is doing a really good job...he looks real...he makes sense..she sounds like a Talking Barbie...
"Oh man I am Outsider of DC....she is just slathering it on....what the hell??? "
She just keeps spitting stuff out...
She is like a stewardess on speed..
LITTLE MISS OUTSIDER .....
HUMANITARIAN SARAH
She has NOT answered a fucking question NOT one...just alot of fluff and winkin and smiling...fine if you wanna get laid...BUT not lead a Country...
SHe is the girl in school who used her sexuality to get her way. The way she gets all coy and tilts her head and purrs "Gosh I am just a lil' ol' washington outsider..."
He wants to punch her in the throat. I do too.
OOOOhhh. McCain knew how to win a war...he was only their prisoner for 5 years.
omg Kelly- you and I wrote the same thing at the same time..
yes, Kelleybelle...she leads with her sexuality.
Being Getting Shot down does not make one an Expert on Strategy - esp on War...geeesssssss
"She is like a stewardess on speed".
Loving that one!
BRING OUT THE FEAR CARD SARAH!
MCCAIN KNOWS EVIL
OOK AT HER LIGHT UP OVER, WHAT IF YOU ARE PRESIDENT.
Heaven forbid??? If she uses the word maverick again, I'm gonna hurl.
She is tolerant?
Um, when did that happen.
She belongs to a church that has a program to pray the gay away.
Gov. Palin, the only gay vote you will get are the self-hating Log Cabin Republicans.
And now she is once again - not answering the question - bringing up Israel in a question not about Israel.
She mispronounced nuclear. I think I am dying.
And the Castro brothers? is that a comedy team in the Catskills?
Guys - help me.
Why does that bitch keep winking at me?
Whaddaya expect a team of Maverick!
Oh please let Tina Fey ream her Saturday
Check HER back- there is a square on her back..and her right ear is that an earpiece ???
Joe is mad.
Good points, Joe.
Maria - Ha!! Cool. Way ahead of you.
Fran - McCain knows evil. Just accept it already, okay?!?!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
Wasilla MAIN STREET!
Wasilla only has ONE street!
I know, I have been there!
isn't it cute the way they want her to play that crap up... she's insulting
There is a thing on her back. Is that a secret service thing?
Anyway, it is not helping her. So ha.
Her kids are DROP OUTS!
DOG GONE IT-- SHUCK N DURN
GOLLY GEE
HOLY COW
SHOUT OUT TO THE 3RD GRADERS
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND- NOT DOIN' THE JOB....
WHERE WE'RE GOIN' IN EDUCATION???
DID SHE REALLY SAY THAT????
Did she just say, "My kids is public school participants?"
I think she is hot for you Gryphen.
Did you two ever share a Moosetini?
It's okay, you can tell us.
My 70 y.o. aunt: What has she been drinking!!!
ENERGY AGAIN!!
OK Joe, your turn.
She is soooooo compassionate, especially when forcing a rape victim to pay for their own rape kit.
SHE IS SO FUCKING FOLKSY AND SO DAMNCUTE- JUST WANNA TAKE HER AND TEACH HER SOME HOCKEY..
MAN .....urgh....Please Our Neighbors Abroad WE are NOT like that......
Joe is being good very very presidential...
Did she suggest that the Vice President needs MORE power?
Damn, she IS Dick Cheney with tits!
yes! no lap dog go fetch energy sh*t for Joe!
Palin ,answer the question!!!!!
Pew! Pew! Pewpewpew!
gryphen - exactly what I was thinking! (just didn't say it)
CORRECTION: OIL & GAS WHORE
oh now she is saying that the Founding Fathers wanted a flexible agenda....now she is stuck...alottta flexibility...( she said it FIVE times..what the hell)
she just rambles and rambles...
Biden:
Dick Cheney is the most dangerous president in history....
Thank you Joe !!!!!
YES!! Nail that Bstrd Cheney! YES!!
she wants to be a dictator
what a c-word
She couldn't sound more rehearsed.
Whoops! She did not understand the question again!
how many times has she mentioned that alaska is a energy producing state
here comes the STORY
Fran::
ohhh that was her last job title...yup...
and thank you Jackie for noticing that thing on her back....
SHE again does NOT answer the Achilles Heal Question- I bet she does NOT even KNOW what an achilles heal is?????
Apparently my husband is a gifted linguist, so check this out:
He says that she she seems less confident, she piles on that accent more. When she seems more confident, she tones it down.
What do ya'll think?
Alaska isn't the heartland. Oooh, did she usurp the kitchen table?
Quit smiling about your hard times!!
That world view ? OH, the one she READ about!
she is one giant fucking Karl Rove talking point
She keeps changing the question - just like McCain.
Maybe that is our October surprise?
And her mouth just runs, and runs, and runs.
It is like an open sewer.
WE are unapologetic, especially about torture....
Jackie: He is spot on. She gets all folksy when she's finta shovel some shit.
Jackie, I think your Husband is right! When she gets a bit nervous she starts doing Tina Fey!
Gwen Ifill did not point out that she failed to answer the question?
Why?
It is like watching an Infomercial on how to spill shit....
and yes, gryphen - she is alike a stewardess on speed....Fly me- I dont know where are going...but I will be your hostess with the mostess..
DEMOCRACY, TOLERANCE, FREEDOM, REFORMING GOOD TEAM GOOD TICKET.
INTERPRETATION:
THEOCRACY, INTOLERANCE, FREEDOM TO OVERLORD, REFORM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
BAD TEAM/FUCKED TICKET
He choked up?
oooops, he nearly pulled an Ed Muskie.
She has said maverick 19 times so far.
Biden did great...on that quesion
Okay I hear the Word Maverick ONE more time...
where are those barf bags....
shit...
HOW much brainwashing dribbling turds can fall out of her mouth...
35 times....
Good though Maria--he's debating a woman who threw her special needs child out there.
CHANGE IS COMING?
WOULD THAT BE JOHN MCCAIN'S DEPENDS UNDERGARMENTS?
Ooops I Must have bad math- sorry maria..
Yeah, Biden got choked up- but he looked REAL...
I thin kthat was Joe's Hillary Clinton moment. And I lve that he's busting the Maverick!
She's swallowing nervously...she is so outclassed.
Final Question....
thank god...
Please please let's end this....
MAVERICK--HE IS NOT
WOO HOO I'M CELEBRATING THAT LINE!!!!!
BIDEN DELIVERS THE PUNCH
Up there in Alaska!
up there in alaska... we never had to comprimise... but we worked together ? WTF!!
as a Mayor and Governor I should have vetoed Budgets ?????what???wasn't there a question about LEARNING...
OMG SHE IS BUSHING IT- I HAVE MADE NO MISTAKES EVER !!!
She's a decider, not a compromiser.
I agree with Gryphen - why isn't the moderator pointing out that Palin is not answering the question?
She was one of the childs left behind.
"Up in Alaska" Palin compromises by firing people who will not support her position.
That is Palin bipartisanship.
I guess TROOPERGATE WAS NOT A MISTAKE - AT ALL ?????
I'm going to puke....
Even in her diverse family, what, white and off-white?
STFU!
I have never wanted to throttle a woman so much in my life!
She sounds like a bad '80s movie.
We are watching it on CNN and the voter reactions in OH - she is flatlining every time she speaks.
DO NOT RESUSCITATE!!!!
"I like to answer questions without the mainstream media filter"?
Damn that Katie Couric and her media filter!
is she still quoting reagan?
ITS THE RED SCARE!!!
WE ARE SO BLESSED--I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN...QUOTE REAGAN....
SHE'S TURNED INTO A BAD COUNTRY SONG.....
Maria - that diversity is pregnant and not pregnant.
Doncha know.
that was the WORST closing statement ever
Yay! OHIO!
Oh by the way the judge ruled today that the Troopergate investigation will go on. They could not quash the subpoenas.
she does have one iota of reality in her -- she sounded like mortimer snerd -- programmed with words put in her mouth
Joe, get your hand off her arm.
You guys are all awesome! I love sharing these debates with you. VOTE EARLY if you can. I did!
I agree with DCap, she was programmed. My daughter's Barbi doll has more awareness than Palin.
Oh God!
She is bringing her screwed up family on stage.
Hey! Where is Bristol?
Thanks, enigma and bloggers, you had great comments all.
Thanks Enigma - Always a pleasure!
Will do Kelly!
PLEASURE TO AGONIZE THROUGH THIS GRUELING EXERCISE WITH YOU LOVELY PEOPLE
Palin didn't address many of the questions posed to her, and when she did her answers were vague. Basically, if they fell within her talking points, she replied in generalities. Otherwise, she gave terse responses, and then redirected her foucs onto something else.
If voters were listening on radio, they heard Palin getting her ass handed to her. But on TV, I'm not quite sure. She looked cute, she had the smirk, she winked at the audience and the camera. People don't always respond to reason, but to images.
I've been looking at live polling so far. From what I've seen, Biden was winning. I'd be curious to see what the polls for this debate are.
Hey all- you did great job...you are so funny.....and smart..it was the strangest thing I have ever seen...a Stepford VP spitting Bumper Stickers at us...URgh.....
you all are the best..
(and yea, I Felt like throttling her- she did not answer a Damn question....she was folksy and cutesy and hillbillyish....like a HeeHaw singer...)
Thank you so so much...you kept me from throwing anything at my TV......
I agree x. dell. Completely.
The American public was lucky, I guess, if there was any overlap behind her scripted non-answer and the question.
Goodnight you lovely Obama/Biden supporters!!
Well that was.....uh...fun?
Getting some wine now.
THE POST DEBATE FEEDBACK IS JUST THAT-- PALIN FAILED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
CBS DREDGED UP LIEBERMAN- WHO SAID PALIN WAS "REFRESHING" COUGH GAAAG WAHAWWWWW HACK GAAAAG.
GO BACK TO YOUR CRYPT NOW LIEBERMAN, YOU OLD COOT.
THE VIEWER VOTERS TOOK A HUGE DIVE WHEN PALIN
STARTED I ON THE "THE SURGE WORKED" , LINE OF DELUSION.
Thanks Enigma!! Just great of you to do this.
Goodnite Kelly, Maria, Troy, and Jackie...
gryphen...Hmm, a glass of Something would be soooo nice....
Fran....yeah...she did not answer a single question - the strangest thing- we are SMARTER THAN THAT...
Gnite Dcap...Gryphen....and Beach Bum...Xdell...
you are all the best- smart and funny and sharp,,,,
phew....glad it is over..
she is nauseating ...I am sick of lies....((Joe 6 Pack and Hockey moms ???? in a VP speech???omg...)
oooooops Goodnite Fran...thank you many hugs ...what would a debate night be without you....?????
( she did not answer a SINGLE question...)
Once again, Enigma, mys sanity thanks you. More power to you.
you are more than welcome...as always ;-)
( if any of us come out with our sanity - we are so lucky....)
Thanks Enigma, I just skimmed through all the great comments. We just got back from our debate-watching party (99% Democrats so it was good). I think Biden did a great job. I'm hoping Palin's dodging of the questions will play against her. It will be interesting to see how the polls look!
I must admit that she did better than I expected. My expectations were very low though. I did get two bingos on my card in the shape of a backwards 7! * big grin*
I was watching on my 15 inch computer monitor and a 5 inch TV (long story!), so would those of you with big TVs who saw a bulge on her back please elaborate?
She something about wanting to do more debates with Biden, please, please, please???
Oh, did you guys know that John McCain is a Maverick and that Alaska is an energy producing state?? I feel so cheated that important things like that have been kept from me during election season. *sob*
Hey Maui:::
wonderful to see you...I hope that everyone saw how badly she dodged every single question...yeah the polls will be interesting....
( Yeah, I thought Biden did a great job...)
oh hairball you are soooooo funny....I am just glad it was over..
there was some stuff that really did not make sense- will the MSM catch it ? will the People catch it ????I hope so....
Thanks for coming to night and helping us laugh through the insanity...
sorry, late as usual ... I DVR'd & just watched it.
I'm speechless! The woman seemed to have NO idea that questions are posed and usually an answer is at least attempted. Not sarah, she used the whole 90-minutes to go down a list (did you catch her checking them off?) of prepared statements that had little to do with any question asked.
I'm pissed w/Gwen for not calling her out on this when she said she doesn't think she has to answer. Gee, she and Cheney really do have a lot in common, don't they.
OK, I will go back & read the other comments now.
Hey, I also caught (you know I was looking) that little rectangular square on her back. There was a tubular shape leading from it up to her neck. It was on her right latismus & only showed on backshots from her left. Well whaddayaknow, shades of robo-bush!
And yah, immediately after the debate, I wanted some reporter to grab her & ask her to define "Achilles Heel" ... just to hear her say, "in what respect?" ... I don't think she had a clue, hence all the BS about John McCain & Education (puh-leeze)!
OK I just got home - well, 1/2 hour ago, had to walk doggies and read thru the thread. I am happy that your reactions so mirrored mine.
They are trying to say she "won" something by not crashing and burning. But she did, in my opinion. She out and out refused to answer questions. She made a huge blunder about Vice Presidential power ( supporting Cheney?? WTF?) and she came off as an annoying marketing person. I was fascinated. A woman watching with me was so paranoid! She said she was afraid she did well!
I am so not even worried (and Enigma knows, I worry at every thing). She fucking blew it. She sucks. She disrespected Gwen Ifill by just refusing the debate format, and then she lied and lied and lied, and she agreed with the bush administration, and she came off as a rude, snarky idiot, and like Tweey (of all folks) just said, she sounded like she was in a spelling bee.
Biden answered every question in detail. Biden was amazing I think; he countered all her lies as well. And Palin just used all her turns to do infomercials for herself. Methinks someone spends too much time on the home shopping network. Who the fuck does she think she is? Obviously, her handlers are teaching her how to sell her "brand". I don't think it came off well.
I am so relieved. I know we all thought she would suck as bad as with the Couric interview. I argue that it WAS that bad -- when we break it down, there are just as many 100-word runon sentences full of bullshit that made me smack my head and when the transcripts come out, you'll see how imbecillic her answers were.
What a moron. I'm so relieved. Obama has not a thing to worry about.
AND I am so impressed with BIDEN!! Holy shit, I didn't expect him to be so incredible.
Thanks for the wonderful thread!!! GOOD job, youse guys!! Sorry I missed it :)
Helen, I was waiting for Biden to say "move to forfeit" (ok, it's been a long time, but I think this is what you say in high school debates when the other side refuses to stay on the debate topic -- then the moderator is supposed to ask the other side (Palin) if they "agree to forfeit" -- if they do, the debate is over & the side that "moved to forfeit" is declared "winner by forfeit" -- if the other side doesn't agree to forfeit, they are on notice to stay on topic -- or something like that)! Anyway, the point is Palin was allowed to wander off ranting about whatever topic she chose, to hell with the the questions.
Well, so I guess that's why these things are not really debates, and Gwen is not really a moderator. If anybody "lost", it was Gwen. A moderator has 3 tasks: to ask penetrating questions, to keep the candidates on track toward an answer (or at the very least make the candidate state that they don't have an answer to her question), and to ensure that the pre-agreed upon debate rules are followed.
Looks like this did not go unnoticed by the after-debate cable news panels. David Gergen on CNN was aghast.
D.K. YOU are always so amazingly correct, woman! I was paying so much attention to the obvious effrontery Palin showed by not following the rules (does she not get that "maverick" moves have their place?) that it took me 'til now to realize GWEN did NOT do her job, she was stuttering, not sure what to do, much of the time.
I thought she was supposed to be a better debate monitor; however now it's coming back to me that I may have gotten pissed at her in the past... did she do Kerry debates?
In any case, BIden rocked. I didn't expect that. The dude knows his shit!!!
Palin sounded like a Hitler's Youth reciting the devotion to her KKKOuntry and ridiculing Joe Biden's service to the country, and misrepresenting McCain's. Pretyt galling.
I love the immediate reaction that she held her own. That ain't gonna fly once it's broken down.
Like I said: MAJOR FAIL.
I can't wait to post on the transcript, as she did at least 2 of those rambling, 100-word answers to shit she didn't understand.
Does the highschool clique attitude actually work on people anymore? That's who she was. She sounded like the top cheerleader in highschool putting down the smart guy. WTF!
Helen::::
so good to hear from you...wow...excellent that you thought Biden did so well- alot of folks here thought so too...I was so pissed that she said that right out said she was not going to answer questions..????that was pretty damn rude and so she didn't.....I definently want to read the transcripts...we missed you- you know that....but phew - glad it is over...
DK:::
I know pretty amazing....and yeah we need to ask her WHAT an Achilles Heal is ...for sure...and NOT a single question answered about the economy....and all she did was spit out the Bumper Sticker talking points...unreal....good thing she could bring her little cheat sheets....I am so glad that you too saw the Square thing on her back..I HOPE someone got photos of it- Just like Bush.....and she does NOT Know WHAT is responsible for Global warming????
omg...and yeah SHE would want MORE VP power....unreal...and oh, we are not allowed to say that Bush fucked up? or did wrong? are you kidding sarah???we can NOT let her get anywhere Near the Oval Office...thanks for coming by....we are alway glad to see you...
I get angry that people buy the whole "oh she did well so she won" bullshit immediately out the gate. Even Gryphen is giving her way more than she deserves!
Holy shit, she FAILED miserably. It's already coming out in the presses.
I did go in w/out fear... watching objectively, and was pleasantly surprised at Joe Biden's ability to tear down every fucking stupid argument Palin made.
Here's what Palin reminded me of: Hitler youth, or alternatively one of those uber-annoying marketing people who can't shut the fuck up trying to sell you something.
All she did was spew propaganda, the whole debate was like her own infomercial. She even made it evident she wants to be as powerful as McSame in office. That woman is a fucking monster.
I am surprised anyone or everyone didn't see that. How much more obvious does she have to get? She practically did a National heil sign & start goose-stepping with her patriotic fervor.
I was fucking laughing at her, my co-partiers were more horrified.
Nope. She did her ticket no favors tonight. Wait 'n' see.
She had about 5 run-on answers that are just as vapid as the ones she gave Couric, but in this venue, it was overlooked at the time. Wait'll they come out in video. And Biden trashed just about all of her "facts!" Why isn't that being focused on! Holy crap! She lied & he succesfully called her on it!
GAWD I can't wait to blog this tomorrow.
Thanks Enigma, DK And everyone else!!'
This was a great comment thread, E. I loved reading through it & nodding my head.
Yeah, Palin doesn't blame man's actions ON global warming?!? Now you'd think that was just a misspeak, except she said the exact same thing the other day!
Like Helen, I was impressed w/Biden. When you think about it, wouldn't you much rather have the young guy with the new ideas at the top of the ticket, and the experienced guy behind him to give him good solid non-yes-man advice? With McC, you've got a tired old coot with no new ideas at the top, and a rah-rah cheerleader screaming "you go, daddy" at his back.
Hey, maybe if she had been forced to answer, sarah would've had to say SHE was her own Achilles Heel?
I doubt one vote changed tonight on either side.
Rove was far from a genius. His only strength, was Dems not willing to fight.
DK: SPOT ON.
And: Whenever any professional goes into an interview, he/she is asked what their achille's heel is. Or one area they think they either aren't good or could improve. Of course, Palin cannot admit any faults whatsoever, an A-ONE sign of a "true believer." She also couldn't answer a similar question about weakness early on.
Biden answered them exactly as a professional would: Something that could be detrimental but also unique about yourself (in his case, too passionate). Another Palin FAIL. A CEO would have said she failed the interview.
She shows herself as infallible and inhuman, frankly. Both questions from Ifill that asked what she could improve upon in herself really ended up with the VERY defensive Palin claiming she has no faults --- AND addinig another 60 seconds of bragging. Holy CRAP.
While watching, I was shaking my head and most of us were marvelling at how she comes off as totally insane.
I think she's the shrub in heels & lipstick. No... wait, I think she's worse. Because he only pretends to be a bible humper and she is.
Where the shrub could, on occasion, admit he's a doofus, she never will. Where the shrub's intellectual curiosity was low, hers is nonexistent. That is fucking terrifying.
I'm glad she let us see it and I'll be pointing that out for the next 33 days.
Ahhh Helen...you hit alot of good points...at this point though she is the Stepford Candidate....spouting the points that have been crammed in her head...
there are NO thinking skills in there...
I think she might be Dick in heals and lipstick....yup...
Renegade...
yup...Rove's magic is running through her...kind of disgusting...really disgusting....but good to see you....my brain is tapped out it is 2am...sorry...
if you all want to hang out- it is great thread- actually both of them are....
gnite all....
you are the best...real thinkers...
hey, g'nite from me, too. Please get some well-deserved rest! I gotta get some sleep to be able to handle my dad's big b-day tomorrow.
A couple of things-- I think Palin would be like JOHN! Let ME tell YOU how to run things, forcing him to call her the *c* word & tell her to STFU .
Sarah is not just going to sit back & let Daddy warbucks run the show. She's tasted the blood of power & she craves it.
Biden just came off as both experienced & genuine. He did not have to wink or dance around the questions & I loved the way he shredded through all the bs palin tried to serve up.
Especially the McCain;s no maverick & rattled off a long list of non maverick items.
Really good.
Fran::
I just rewatched it ....groan..and everything you said is so true...Biden really did a good job, and he was very gracious...and he did dispute ALL of her lies...Gwen really let her slide- very dissappointing because the questions were good- she good have pressed..sigh..
Yeah, Biden did not wink, or blow kisses or anything...he was just himself....
( and the families came up- that was kind of awkward...and where was Bristol ? and the baby looked awful....do they drag him everywhere like luggage ? poor thing..)
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