Wednesday, September 09, 2009


Here is the first link , articles are saying fines range from $750-3800 Dollars /yr ( for single to family of four) For BEING UNINSURED, and yes, there is NO PublicOption, NONE, and none planned for later in his "Plan". His plan was crafted by Lyn Fowler who worked for Wellpoint. Can Someone please explain to me WHY this Person who is carrying water for the Repugs has So Much Power over the Healthcare of Millions ?? And WHY did he "LEAK" it to K Street First ?? WHY ? WHY were the Corporate Powers and Lobbyists SHOWN the plan before the Whitehouse ? ( See the Article below about the FINES)

Firedoglake does have the story about Wellpointe and Liz Fowler and HOW they crafted the Baucus Plan....

If you want you can watch the DailyKos Video that breaks it all down about the Baucus Sham of A Plan :great video- really explains it well.

Fines proposed for going without health insurance"
September 09, 2009 2:29 AM EDT

WASHINGTON - Americans would be fined up to $3,800 for failing to buy health insurance under a plan that circulated in Congress on Tuesday as divisions among Democrats undercut President Barack Obama's effort to regain traction on his health care overhaul.

As Obama talked strategy with Democratic leaders at the White House, the one idea that most appeals to his party's liberal base lost ground in Congress. Prospects for a government-run plan to compete with private insurers sank as a leading moderate Democrat, Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, said he could no longer support the idea.

The fast-moving developments put Obama in a box. As a candidate, he opposed fines to force individuals to buy health insurance, and he supported setting up a public insurance plan. On Tuesday, fellow Democrats publicly begged to differ on both ideas.Democratic congressional leaders put on a bold front as they left the White House after their meeting with the president.

"We're re-energized; we're ready to do health care reform," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., insisted the public plan is still politically viable. "I believe that a public option will be essential to our passing a bill in the House of Representatives," she said.After a month of contentious forums, Americans were seeking specifics from the president in his speech to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night. So were his fellow Democrats, divided on how best to solve the problem of the nation's nearly 50 million uninsured.

The latest proposal: a ten-year, $900-billion bipartisan compromise that Baucus, who heads the influential Finance Committee, was trying to broker. It would guarantee coverage for nearly all Americans, regardless of medical problems.

But the Baucus plan also includes the fines that Obama has rejected. In what appeared to be a sign of tension, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs pointedly noted that the administration had not received a copy of the plan before it leaked to lobbyists and news media Tuesday.

The Baucus plan would require insurers to take all applicants, regardless of age or health. But smokers could be charged higher premiums. And 60-year-olds could be charged five times as much for a policy as 20-year-olds.Baucus said Tuesday he's trying to get agreement from a small group of bipartisan negotiators in advance of Obama's speech. "Time is running out very quickly," he said. "I made that very clear to the group."

Some experts consider the $900-billion price tag a relative bargain because the country now spends about $2.5 trillion a year on health care. But it would require hefty fees on insurers, drug companies and others in the health care industry to help pay for it.

Just as auto coverage is now mandatory in nearly all states, Baucus would require that all Americans get health insurance once the system is overhauled to make premiums more stable and affordable. Penalties for failing to do so would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level - about $66,000 for a family of four - would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950.

Baucus would offer tax credits to help pay premiums for households making up to three times the poverty level, and for small employers. Upper middle-class households making between three and four times the poverty level would not have to pay more than 13 percent of their income for health insurance. People working for companies that offer coverage could avoid the fines by signing up.

Nonetheless, the fines pose a dilemma for Obama. As a candidate, the president campaigned hard against making health insurance a requirement, and fining people for not getting it.

"Punishing families who can't afford health care to begin with just doesn't make sense," he said during his party's primaries. At the time, he proposed mandatory insurance only for children.

White House officials have since backed away somewhat from Obama's opposition to mandated coverage for all, but there's no indication that Obama would support fines.

One idea that Obama championed during and since the campaign - a government insurance option - appeared to be sinking fast.House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters a Medicare-like plan for middle-class Americans and their families isn't an essential part of legislation for him. Hoyer's comments came shortly after a key Democratic moderate said he could no longer back a bill that includes a new government plan.

That left liberals in a quandary. They've drawn a line, saying they won't vote for legislation if it doesn't include a public plan to compete with private insurance companies and force them to lower costs.

Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., who once supported a public option, said Tuesday that after hearing from constituents during the August recess, he's changed his mind."If House leadership presents a final bill that contains a government-run public option, I will oppose it," Ross said.

Democrats are considering a fallback: using the public plan as a last resort if after a few years the insurance industry has failed to curb costs. That approach is also being pushed by Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, a moderate whose support could be critical to any health legislation.Snowe said Tuesday that Obama's been open to her fallback idea."He's been receptive, recognizing that there's difficulties with the public option," Snowe said. Republicans have cast it as a government take-over.

Baucus is calling for nonprofit co-ops to compete in the marketplace instead of a public plan.

An 18-page summary of the Baucus proposal was obtained by The Associated Press. The complex plan would make dozens of changes in the health care system, many of them contentious. For example, it includes new fees on insurers, drug companies, medical device manufacturers and clinical labs.

People working for major employers would probably not see big changes. The plan is geared to helping those who now have the hardest time getting and keeping coverage: the self-employed and small business owners.
Associated Press writers Erica Werner, Ben Feller, Alan Fram and Jim Abrams contributed to this report
And NOW it gets even stranger-NOW we learn he had BOXES out in the Hall that Someone should ask about- From Huffpo- Please do read..
LINK for FB etc:
5AM Oh it only gets better..HolyCrap he is a treating this like a used car salesman selling Lemons ...NOW Baucus has given an Ultimatum that he must have ANSWER BY 10 AM- Who made him king ? what the hell, ok- read it ALL here and try not to throw up...
Oh and one more thing-- IS it WORTH anything to the Lobbyists- this "Sham of a Plan" ???? Of Course it it- it's worth 4 Million Dollars....
From the Whitehouse Logs :Angela Braly (President, CEO, Director, WellPoint, Inc) :::February 13 (meeting with president) : I wonder if we can FOIA the Minutes from THAT meeting ? and ask WHO else was present ?


the walking man said...

Another bunch of God damned Democrat sell outs. These bitches are sending me to the Libertarians.

I wonder if the president has the stones to use his veto and send a bullshit bill back.

enigma4ever said...

I twittered this info for 24 it is all over the internet....So I dont feel Like I am screaming into the wind..:

Bob Cesca..
he pdf document circulated by Max Baucus containing his healthcare reform outline featured a rather obvious error.

It still had the name of the author listed in the properties dialogue box.

The author? Liz Fowler, current Baucus staffer and former VP for Public Policy and External Affairs at private insurance giant Wellpoint, parent company of Blue Cross.

While Fowler was an executive at Wellpoint, circa 2007, this is one of the things that happened:

Blue Cross of California [parent company: Wellpoint] "routinely" violated state law when it canceled individual health insurance coverage after policyholders got pregnant or sick, making no attempt to determine whether they did anything to merit such "harsh" treatment, according to a state investigation of practices that appear to be industrywide.
State regulators plan similar investigations of other health plans in California, and the findings against Blue Cross ratchet up the risk of liability for other insurers, many of whom face lawsuits from consumers who claim they were illegally dumped and subjected to substantial hardships.

As a result of its unprecedented investigation, the Department of Managed Health Care on Thursday said that it had fined Blue Cross $1 million -- an amount immediately criticized by canceled policyholders and consumer advocates as too small to matter to an insurer whose parent company, WellPoint Inc., earned $3.1 billion in profit last year on revenue of $57 billion.

And Wellpoint all but authored Max Baucus' mafioso healthcare bill. This is intolerable. No freaking wonder why the bill mandates that we all buy private insurance without a public option escape hatch.

NEWSGUY said...

Founding Fathers Were in Favor of Universal Health Insurance

Preamble to the Constitution:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Seems to me the general Welfare would include universal health care as a right, not a privilege. And then there was the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Now how can you enjoy "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" without your health? Case closed.

enigma4ever said...

YOU rock Newsguy....
I love this that you sent- just copied it and sent it to the WH website- thank U....

....long time no see-
we will see what happens tonight...

this I do know...
VickyKennedy will be sitting with Michelle tonight...things just got VERY interesting...

Anon-Paranoid said...

enigma my sweet rose...

Hi there good looking, long time no see.

Did you see that low life piece of scum from South Carolina Joe Wilson call President Obama a liar during the Presidents address?

Everyone should write or call Speaker Pelosi and demand that he be censured or impeached for his disrespectful remark.

They should also phone his Congressional Office and his States Offices to complain and demand his resignation.

There's no place for that kind of behavior in a joint and public Presidential address on National Television.

Just shows what a bunch or Fascist, Racist, Bigoted Nazi's the Republicans are.

I hope the Democrats unite now behind President Obama and jam everything through both houses of congress.

Screw the Republicans, all they have been doing since President Obama took office is try to incite their base to assassinate him.

Fuck them all, maybe its time to drag them out of their offices and lynch them.

Sorry, I'm just so pissed off over this and maybe President Obama needs to label Joe Wilson an Enemy Combatant and ship him off to Gitmo for some enhanced interrogation that Bush\Cheney approved.

After all it isn't torture according to them.

God Bless.

enigma4ever said...

this is from May:::
but worth reading...

51 Senators Open To Public Option
by: Chris Bowers
Wed May 13, 2009 at 17:28

It now seems likely that there are enough Senators in support of a public health care option to pass it through the 50-vote reconciliation process. Here are the numbers:
Forty-three Senators are neither Republicans nor in Evan Bayh's "conservodem" group. None of them have come out in opposition to a public option in the health care reform bill. This includes both Jim Webb and Jon Tester, who often stray from the party on big votes.
Six members of Evan Bayh's group have indicated they are open to a public option: Tom Carper (DE), Kay Hagan (NC), Mary Landrieu (LA), Glanche Lincoln (AR), Claire McCaskill (MO), and Mark Warner, (VA). That makes 49.
Arlen Specter, who falls into a class of Senator all his own, has also indicated he is open to a public option. That makes 50.
Susan Collins is a lone Republican voice who has said the same. She makes 51.
Without the 60-vote option available to Republicans on health care, that makes enough to pass a public option in the health care bill. As such, it could really happen. And it needs to happen, as it is the only real way to keep down health care costs and make health care available to everyone.
Looking back over the past few months, forcing health care reconciliation in the budget blueprint, and the Progressive Caucus taking a hard line on the public option were huge developments. I have complained a lot over the past month that there really isn't much in the way of spending differences between the conservative and progressive movements (for example, in the post below this one), but a public option for health care would be a big deal. It would be the biggest, long-term change in the federal government since Medicare was singed into law in 1965. Remarkably, it is actually within reach right now.

enigma4ever said...

Anon P::
heythere friend so good to see you..
I will email you...
thank you for your thoughts..
about Wilson- what an ass...

on twitter people started raising money for his opponent- Rob Miller - 40,000 dollars in 3 hours..very I think some good will come of it ;-)

We shall prevail...

hang in there...