Wednesday, February 01, 2006

THE WHAT IF GAME

I homeschool my son, which means that What he learns and How he learns is my job. It is a job that I hold prescious.He likes to point out he has had to "endure" 5 years of Mr.Bush, and that he does not know what America is susposed to be like, he is only 14. He likes to point out that the Consitution and the Bill of Rights that I have now spent years teaching him don't matter to Mr.Bush. He also points out that Mr.Bush has not read History Books, American or World History.He also has been taught that part of how he learns is by disagreeing and asking questions. And he also knows that if he asks enough questions, he will end up being told to go look it up. Which means I have encouraged him to Argue, and fight for what is right. Which means that if he was in a regular school some poor teacher would be peppered with questions, and he would be in trouble alot.But his ability to think and question is intact.

He likes to come in my room, usually at bedtime, and ask some Killer Question.
KILLER QUESTIONS:
" Has any other Country ever bombed another another for Democracy ?"
"And what Kind of Democracy is that- that requires Bombs first ?
" If Mr.Bush has had to spy on 1000's and listen and read emails and letters of so many, that means he does not really trust his own people ? I guess we are lucky he has not arrested more...or maybe that is a matter of time?"
" How come the Elected representitives are all clapping , don't they realize that they look guilty too?"
" So Who does he have to Answer to ? If not the People, the Congress,the Courts Who? "
" Isn't bombing a country for the sake of lies Wrong? Isn't that worse than Clinton lying about having an affair?"

The Questions have grown night after night, and his bedtime has grown later and later. And it is amazing how many nights I don't have the Answers. he said about a week ago," I guess you don't have all the answers, but atleast you are still letting me ask Questions. " I think he knows that he would never be allowed to ask These Questions in School...

THE WHAT IF GAME:
The Other Game that we played alot and has been Valuable is the "What If " Game. It goes like this.
I ask What if you had lived in Nazi Germany What would you have done?
What would you have done when the Government started closing Coffee shops and libraries and parks ?
What would you have done when they started targeting peoples?
Would you have helped Hide Jews? ( He used to joke that as many stray animals we used to sneak home
and later have to announce to my poor ex- that the answer is fairly obvious)
If you lived in France or Poland Would you have helped with the Resistance Movements ? ( he was the one that pointed out that Bloggers are the ones spreading the late night Truth).
Would you have ever helped Spread the Truth ? ( with radio messeges and underground newspapers?)
What if you knew that the Government of that time was lying and imprisoning people Falsely, what would you do?
Would you fight Back?
What If?


And slowly over the past year I realize that we don't play the What If Game much at all anymore. I wonder does that mean we are Living IT ?

61 comments:

enigma4ever said...

In the Midst of other high crimes and misdemeanors I did not realize that the Patriot Act expires this week- and is being debated on cspan....

gee when does this Ever end...

Unknown said...

Most excellent! I love homeschoolers. Some of the best students I know were homeschooled.

I think if a 14 year old can figure out that the W, Rove and Co is opperating on a moral and ethical fringe that has crossed the line from good to bad that borders on the illegal, then the rest of America should as well. But then the trouble with the remainder is that they base their decisions and actions on faith rather than fact - a fundamental principle that is key to extreme radical theologic based goverments such as the taliban in Afganistan.

enigma4ever said...

(1) So I get up this am, and my Blog is once again labeled "Questionable Content" on the google scroll ( try it) I want to KNOW who keeps Labeling it that- it is pissing me off.

(2) Thanks for your comment Windspike. I agree with what you said...And the funny thing is that 6-4 and I used to argue the very issue you raised.
[1] That Government - leaders are who we should have faith in to DO the right thing, to have High Moral Ethics, it is about trust
[2] when he was 12 he read 1984- and he said- well NOW I see what the problem is.....Orwell had it ALL figured out....
When people put their faith , hopes and trust in people who are Greedy and Corrupt- there will be trouble- ALWAYS...."religion" is just a prop.
{ and yeah he used the word prop....interesting that he caught the theatrics of it }

enigma4ever said...

He is pretty smart..and a closet writer- and he says the damnest things...and I am trying to talk him into a blog...he is very shy- much more shy than the bratty enigma...But he is doing the artwork for me these days...and when he gets braver I will send him your way....
(don't you think I should keep nagging him to have a blog- a public one?)

Anonymous said...

LETS HERE IT FOR LATE NIGHT TRUTH TELLING!!!

LETS HEAR IT FOR SISTER CINDY!!!

LETS HEAR IT FOR SMART YOUTH!!

Enigma: You might consider letting him read the blogs, and once he gets used to our profanity... he'll be cool to hang.. :) Should I be censoring my comments by the way???? No fingers???

Granny said...

Funny - I still haven't seen the "questionable content" thingie and I've looked for it.

I don't homeschool but we talk a lot. My Elcie was the only one in her class "mock" election in 2004 who voted for Kerry. And they say these kids aren't brainwashed.

On the other hand, we're a barely Demo stronghold surrounded by Republicans. Very strange. Local Government is Republican (non-partisan) but we send Democrats to the State Assembly and Congress.

Wadena said...

Questionable Content......must be a badge of honor.

Good work.

enigma4ever said...

GRANNY: If you google watergatesummer the first post that comes up is watergatesummer- but it comes up with a little tag under it saying "Notify Blogger of" "objectionable content" or "questionable content", this is concerning because Gonzalez is trying to push through a bill that would effect Bloggers- it is called the Child Safety Act and it would allow CERTAIN Blogs to be labeled and possibly removed ALL in the name of protecting the Children from porn...( ahem-cough-gag)... I loved what you said about schools out there- and Kerry- your rep situation is interesting- but I lived in California last year and there were some odd factors like that...

Wadena- you wonderful putty-tat I will come visit you next....lovely to see you...

enigma4ever said...

LILLY: Don't you dare lose the finger...and don't you dare censor yourself..and He reads just about everything...including blogs...Someday when he is less shy he will have a Public blog...I know it..He is a good writer- just shy- I KNOW all about Closet Writers... ( and truthfully the swear jar was just to improve my language..yeah, and that's working right???! ha??)

Neil Shakespeare said...

Send him to the White House! Get him one of the teenage reporter passes and ask away!

jurassicpork said...

Absolutely I would've been part of th resistance movement. With human lives being needlessly and cruelly exterminated, how could I not.

Luckily, our own resistance here in the blogosphere is harmless and safe. But if that were to change and things had to get physical, fucking A I'd still be there, family or no family.

The older I get, the closer I get to my own death (even though Sartre would call that absurd). That means I have less and less of my finite time. That means I have less time for bullshit.

enigma4ever said...

Thanks JP good to know....here at the little Enigma Cafe we knew we could count on you and your brave blogging.

I know I would have too, because I could not have lived with myself otherwise....or stood by and watched such a thing...and yeah I probally would have ended up in a concentration camp- my barracks would have been the one with a garden and window boxes, and rude grafetti...I don't give up easy....

If people don't wake up soon I worry what Bush will do next. Esp. Since his ratings are in the toilet...I also worry that here in the US not enough people realize how the rest of the world sees us....and the lessons that we are teaching our children...

Anonymous said...

Out of the mouth of babes, huh? Now I know where all the politically smart teenagers are ... being homeschooled by enigma (good job, mom)!

My jewish husband & I have had that conversation about "what would you have done if you lived in Nazi Germany" many times over the years. He remains firmly of the opinion that when the odds are too long, you should just emigrate before borders are sealed (hence the carefully placed brochures about real estate in Australia or Switzerland I keep finding more of lately). He also maintains that if you stay, you vow to fight with all you have ... NEVER allow yourself to dig your own grave, then line up for execution ... better to go out fighting tooth & nail. I sure hope that is what we are doing now. D.K.

enigma4ever said...

DK: Thanks...I think that Mr6"4' is doing okay being homeschooled....we have always had the deal that if he wanted to go to school that option is his....but he also chooses what he wants to study, so there is alot of freedom that he loves.

About What if...I agree with everything you said- it is better to go out fighting...and fighting tooth and nail for what Matters....and I too hope that is what we are doing now...

Anonymous said...

oh, you're doing more than OK. Even Professor Frank McCourt says the most important thing a teacher can impart to students is the art of critical thinking. All the rest is reading & memorizing. D.K.

Anonymous said...

We also homeschool and our daughter (age 12) asks similar questions. It's amazing to see how easily children cut through the bullshit of spin and politics and get right to the point.

Good job! I commend you.

Graeme said...

he sounds smarter than the pundits and politicans on tv

Anonymous said...

Enigma,
Are there any good blogs for homeschooling with some 'political exchange' for the kids,preteens,etc for example? My experience with kids with activist parents is that it can be a challenge- challenge that no doubt makes them better, stronger, etc. for it, but in some communities it can be very difficult for kids to connect. Its hard for adults to connect on issues because people are so detached...but at least we can better navigate geography.
I wonder what kids do for some solidarity? Support?
I will never forget the time a few kids told my daughter that her mother likes to help "baby killers". And that her mother is working on a campaign for a fetus murderer. THAT kind of stuff can be hard. Of course I know people that share my views, but certainly many where I am do NOT. Most do not. Or they are Democrats that are really quite moderate.

Anonymous said...

e4e, good grief, another misguided attempt to "protect" our children by censoring blogs...but we still continue to feed them ritalin at age 8 when they're supposed to be impulsive!!!

let's hear it for home-school moms, and moms of dead soldiers who have the guts to proclaim their pain and outrage on a t-shirt and get arrested for "being a public nuisance" or some such nonsense...

re:questionable content, i hope it was not my comment using a word commonly used to endearingly describe a feline..."Jesus Hated Bald Pussy-Cat" just doesn't cut it (ooops, did it again, maybe is was the "jesus hated"???)

michael the tubthumper said...

good to hear your son is not taking shit at face value

enigma4ever said...

MICHAEL: No, he has a pretty good shit detector..that's for sure...

Maine Friend: Thanks for your positive thoughts- most people are not so positive....and no I don't think it was the pussycat comments, the Geesus comments - who knows?
Might have been that I have been calling the King names again...( like I really care...about the King and names). Although this effin Regime is sooooo sensitive- remember when the Sister of Justice had to have a Breast covered with $3000 worth of silk so AssCroft could give press conferences and not be "uncomfortable".

CV Rick : YAY ...another homeschooling family out there- and another probing teen ( almost teen ;-) asking questions and learing from this confusing world.
Write me anytime....write me offline - we should talk ( enigma4ever@earthlink.net)

Graeme: Yes, he is very smart...and we used ot have running commentary from him when Crossfire was on- he could take Tucker Carlson down Anyday....

DK: yup..Critical thinking..that 's what it is....

Lilly: I will answer you offline, because it might be too long an answer. But the bottem line is that it varies from place to place....some states are better than others. And sadly many homeshoolers are religous based, and almost like a club....we have encountered all kinds of groups etc. it can be tricky...and esp. now that he is older, he has always liked older kids and college kids- just to be around them - so my main stategy has always been to live near college students, and colleges. This is a huge resource and source of dialogue and inspiration. And the other tool we use- is what we call the Albert Einstein Coffee House Education system. We have a hang out, a coffee house close by that serves coffee, coversation , music and bad poetry...if we can find one near by that helps alot....it is key....( Albert Einstein spent most of his teens and early 20's hanging out in coffee houses- when he was susposed to be studying at thte library- but he explained later that it fed a different part of his brain and soul....).....( In my heart I think Albert would have LOVED Seattle....)

Anonymous said...

Geez, I forgot about the biggest What-If of my generation: ***What if they gave a war and nobody came?*** Thanks for jogging the old memory cells there.

Also, I've enjoying the comments about HST here. I first read F&LinLV in Rolling Stone while actually living in Vegas, a surreal experience ... couldn't go into Circus-Circus without looking for that ape. Years later, my husband & I read it outloud to each other on the ferry from Seattle to Orcas Island. We were laughing/crying so hard the people around us all moved away, very uncomfortable with the words we were saying probably a little too loud for their sensitive ears. Oh how I miss his rich wit. D.K.

enigma4ever said...

Dk: Yup somehow Hunter entered out thread of dialogue here- he kind of haunts this blog- and keeps coming back- just a like a friendly ghost looking for a drink ;-)

And you read F&L while IN VEGAS...OMG...that is too rich...
I too reread him while living in Seattle in 1989....on the Beach at Bluff Poit- Whitby Island...ain't that ironic??? ( probally watched you pass by on the Ferry..) Hunter would LOVE that irony....( or he would ahve just thought we were rainsodden fools ;-0

Anonymous said...

I have an extensive library of writings by and about HST and would encourage anyone who is interested in his body of work to visit this site

in the spirit of Fahrenheit 451 and as an affectation that I have adopted to deal with a "change your password every x days" scheme at my place of employment, I am slowly committing to memory the pages of FLLV...still only near the end of the 1st paragraph, but I know it by heart...

e4e, sad to say, most likely a rainsodden fool...but give his ghost a drink anyway when you see him....

enigma4ever said...

Hey there Maine Friend:
I have to say that we toast Hunter on a regular basis...I think he does indeed need more ;-)

( by the way when I first moved to the NW in the late 80's- my first thought was that it did indeed remind me of Maine- one of my favorite places.... ;-)

Thanks for coming back round- will updating the Blog tonight...( a piece for Mrs.King- since Coretta passed this week I wanted to write a tribute piece- but not while still steaming over the Speech event and the Scumlito annointment)

Anonymous said...

thanks maineac for the HST site. There are some great excerpts from his "Fear & Loathing Campaign 2004" at rollingstone.com/politics/story/6562575
He makes your heart pound with regret. D.K.

Anonymous said...

But his ability to think and question is intact.

That's a wonderful gift you're giving him, one that he would not likely get in a traditional public school.

Great post.

Kathleen Callon said...

You have a very smart son. Peace.

Frederick said...

I seconded that, but don't the kid get to the point where all the contradictions become to much.

Anonymous said...

D.K. - thank you for that link! Some parts of it look familiar (like LBJ in '48) but I have never seen the entire piece before!!! thanks again!

e4e, when you cross over the border from NH to Maine, the sign says "Maine - the way life should be" and I find that to be true...but too many tourists and wealthy folk thinking that life will be so grand up here as long as they can have a 35,000 acre private kingdom at the foot of Katahdin or a mansion on the shore and plenty of cheap labor to build it, clean it and tend to the kids are making it impossible for the local people or their children to even consider being able to afford to live here...a horrible trait of many Americans, loving a place to death...i imagine it's much the same in places out West that I've never seen like Montana, Aspen, Yellowstone, Sequoia or the Grand Canyon...

looking forward to your Coretta Scott King piece...

enigma4ever said...

You know what I like best about my little Enigma Cafe ? I went away to go battle the Dust Bunnies...and upon return there was such a nice chat going on...sigh...

MAINE FRIEND: many years ago I used to live in Vermont, and after a week of doubleshifts nursing wise, we would go escape over to Maine for the quiet and to go to the Coast.( our other great escape was to drive to Montreal for Carryout....)Sorry those damn tourists are ruining things..I guess I was/am one of those ? ooops...

KATHLEEN: Thanks for coming by...to the Enigma Posse- head over to her Blog- she has beautiful photos, it's a lovely spot...and yes, he is a good kiddo...I am lucky....namaste.

FRED: Don't worry we do indeed keep things in perspective around here- we watch alot of comedy- John Stewart, Lewis Black, Dave Letterman, and Conan, and of course Jimmy Kimmel...thanks for coming by...

Anonymous said...

no, e4e you could not possibly hold the views you express here and be lumped in with the people who are loving this place to death...perhaps i sound a bit exclusionary above, but i do not lump all tourists or all transplants into those categories...i am, after all, an escapee from the awful suburbs of massachusetts...

vermont...my nephew did his graduate work (environmental studies) in that lovely place and we spent some fine times by the shores of the "littlest" great lake...he credits his crazy uncle with giving him his environmental leanings and i credit him with working from within the establishment to persuade developers to at least have some concern for the gentle forests that they would otherwise level for row after row of "mcmansions"

and so much for me...get back to work on that next wonderful piece you are writing!

AJ said...

Enigma,

Smart boy. My sons are also homeschooled, and semi-private schooled at a Christian Church with others.
It has proved challenging, but rewarding, in that they get to ask hard questions, and not have to answer any state/federal mandated curriculum, and have to join gangs to be protected from gangs....
They are also wondering if we are living 'it'.

Lily said...

Don't homeschooled kids still have to go by the curriculum and be tested etc.? They do here. Hmmm.

enigma4ever said...

Lilly: I answered some of your questions above, and also sent some emails offline- I hope they address your concerns and questions...it is too long an answer here...

AJ: Sounds like you are doing a great job , keep it up..and i live urban_ I know all about gangs etc. it is a different world.

Maine Friend: Thanks for your comments and contributions to this blog..you should have a blog..you have alot of interesting thoughts..

Anonymous said...

Yes, I did appreciate the information. And as I explained for the record I am not critical of home schooling! I was curious about different states.
I think there are some false impressions out there about home schooling which I do not share. I see nothing wrong with the desire to teach kids in ways that are more in keeping with a family's perspective. While true, some parents want to shelter their children from 'immoral' peers as they call them, I think thats a whole different matter. I think diversity is important and it is important to learn that people can disagree.
I think what troubles me is the way schools sometime perpetuate the propaganda- with the way they present lessons. I quote: "We needed to intervene on behalf of the Iraqi people, to free them from a cruel dictatorship. The fight for freedom continues." Now I read this whole section and saw nothing about depleted uranium, the UN resolutions, oil, protests around the global community, etc. THAT is not history. Another example: the Young Marines, and the way 'troubled' kids are put there to "straighten them out". Give them 'discipline". I don't think strict discipline begets SELF discipline. Its a double message- we want you to be cognizant of your actions, but we will put you in an environment where you have no say about your autonomy, behavior, opinions, or actions at ALL.
Thats not education, in my view.

Anonymous said...

Lilly, I agree about missing their peer groups & being exposed to scorn can help prepare a kid for the real world. My sister attempted to home school her 2nd of 5 children. She was too intimidated to try with her oldest as she was some kind of prodigy. But with the 2nd, she thought she was doing a good job until in her junior year, my niece announced she wanted to go to the "real high school & be with her friends". My sis agreed that she should try it for the last semester of her junior year to see if that's what she really wanted. Turns out even tho' my niece was academically beyond her peers, she still wanted to go ahead & finish out her senior year at the "real school". So, I guess you kind of have tailor yourself to each child. BTW, sis decided NOT to home school her last 3 kids as she had to re-enter the job market to make ends meet & felt she wouldn't be up to it. This is the saddest thing to me ... the lack of meaningful financial assistance for families like hers. D.K.

Unknown said...

I wish I could of home-schooled my son..but he did get MY version of many events..you can bet your bottom dollah on that fact!

Anonymous said...

re: homeschooling, i had an interesting talk with a friend at work today who raised the issue of how to socialize home-schooled kids with their peers and observed that many home-schooled kids often end up as loners and have problems socializing...do home-schooled kids get a chance to participate in sports or other school activities??? perhaps not such a problem in extended families or the suburbs (where there are lots of neighborhood families), but what about rural home-schooling?

NEWSGUY said...

Passing that flame of truth on to your fourteen year old is a noble thing. It will never be extinguished. He will pass it on to another generation. There's a cause for optimism and hope that the bullies will lose in the long run.

Meanwhile, we got a little Hitler on our hands. But remember what happened to Hitler. And Mussolini. And Pinochet.

meldonna said...

Wait...I'm still trying to stop giggling about Hunter being recited on the way to Orcas! I first came across F&LnLV while I was living in Austin, and ended up passing it around to several of my latter-day-hippy-pinko-commie-faggot friends. My copy is pretty ragged, but more precious for it...I do so miss the Voice that called the evil swine what they were, and are.

I've always wondered about myself in the 'what-if' game, and wondered if I'd do the right thing when push came down to shove. Then I remember how many times I've gotten my nose busted trying to break up a fight, and I take heart. If it's a case of 'somebody's gotta do it', I'm there.

And don't kid yourself...these days it's an act of bravery to blog against the BFEE...don't THINK they ain't watching.

e...you're doing a great thing with your young man, and it shows. My dad tried to isolate us from the influences of 'the heathren world', being a rather outspoken fundmentalist. My mother, a strict Christian herself, did quite a bit to undo that, working quietly to let her kids know that no matter what we grew up to believe, we had a right to make our own decisions. Daddy preached while Mama lived her convictions of what she thought Christ expected; i.e. she chose the example of mercy and forgiveness over brimstone and damnation. I love 'em both, but Mom walks the walk.

And she took us to the library without censoring what we read. My mom is a pretty cool lady, and a great Mom.

You are too, Ms. e. More power to ya!

Anonymous said...

meldonna, nice comment about the value of having at least 2 contrasting perspectives for a child to hear so they can make their own decisions while growing up...

a smile from me in regards to hippie-pinko-commie-faggots...reminded me of a bit by geo carlin from AM/FM..."what would a hippy-pinko-commie-faggot sound like?...workers of the world, unite"...words cannot do it justice, it must be heard for the belly laugh it generates...

Anonymous said...

Actually the law where I ams ays that children in the district MUST be allowed to participate in extra curricular activities and in the town I lived in before, the YMCA even had activities for socialization. Maybe it takes thinking out of the box a bit or pushing, maybe it takes creativity. Maybe it takes REALLY knowing the law, using advocates that can help, and getting the schools to realize they have legal obligations. Be a squaeky wheel. I don't know.

And networking, support. letting home schoolers that do so for political and historical accuracy know that they are supported and NOT JUDGED. People have stereotypes about the motives of others, assuming home schoolers to be 'too lazy or dysfunctional to get their kids up for school". At least, thats what the Stepford bitches round here say. That they are either bible thumpers or couch potatoes. Meanwhile its perfectly ok to let their kids play video games for nine hours a day when the sun is shining. What kid?

None of us really know the reasoning or choices of another parent, and taking the 'mom inventory' is bullshit in my view. Caregivers, be they moms, dad, Nanas, etc, know their kids and should have the autonomy to tailor their lifestyle to meet the child's needs. I'm ranting but I also think that we women need to stop the catty competition that divides and lend our sisters a damn hand once in a while.

It takes a village, it takes humility... and it takes engagement with our young people. They are not trophy pets. And while we are at it, let's stop forcing these ten year olds to look like whores and pedophilic eye candy- I swear I saw a little third grader with a shirt saying "Like what you see?". Its ok to be hot- when you're legal! JEEEEEEZ.

Anonymous said...

lily, rant on, you are making sense to me and i think enigma enjoys passionate discussion on her blog as well...

in my view, one of the unintended consequences of the Women's Liberation movement was the realization by the media at the time that "sex sells" and the noble goals of that movement were twisted by said media to their own evil ends...just think about what you might have seen then on commercial TV (relatively harmless double-entendres) and what you see now...the consequence is 10-year olds with totally inappropriate proclamations plastered across their bodies as you have observed...while the leering, masturbating segment of the American populace that digs that stuff hangs on our shoulders like some croaking, black raven...(i'm pretty sure that's a cribbed quote from somewhere and there goes the questionable content flag again)

meldonna said...

maineac, I'm with you on the village thing...I moved out of my parents house shortly after my 18th birthday, and two months shy of HS graduation -- it was my breakaway from the isolation Daddy liked. Moved in to my friends' mom's house, and started getting that village thing. I was mature enough at 18 to work for a living, but far from an adult, and that Mom turned out to be the dearest friend to me that one could ever hope to have. As a single mom, she was able to open my eyes to many things I had never really appreciated about life, and finished teaching me what my own mom had started about graciousness. And this (as she calls herself) crazy old blind lady mentored most of our neighborhood. Did a damn good job, too.

Shit. I need to call her...it's been too long.

And yes, I remember Carlin in his hippy-dippy days. Just remember those seven words~~~

meldonna said...

oh, and yeah...I did graduate HS on time. I was going to be damned if I'd spent 11 and three quarter years in public education in redneck Arkansas without getting my piece of freakin' paper.

enigma4ever said...

Hey there Enigma Cafe Posse- whlelp that was a long and scary day in Blogatopia...Blog was not back until 3am...I will write to you all in am - and Finish the posts that I was working on when this hit the skids it is now 4:30 am- and I have been checking on all the blogs- esp Blogroll, it seems everybody was having troubles...Worm? Storm? will we ever know....?Hang in there all...

See in the tomorrow- and yes I am rooting for the Hawks...
and I can't wait to see what the Stones do...please oh please let Mick do something mindblowing...e4e...

Anonymous said...

meldonna, i can take no credit for the village comment, that was lily's viewpoint which i was expressing complete agreement with and expanded on in my comment, but thank you, anyway...

in regards to 7 words, i have them taped to my monitor at work to remind me that there are places where those prohibitions really do apply...profane outbursts in the name of anger and frustration at the workplace are not tolerable practices...but i gather it to be somewhat allowable here...enigma??? (if i have exceeded any boundaries, i trust that someone will tell me so)

Anonymous said...

oh, BTW, to the point of the very first comment on this post, the sunset provisions of the Patriot Act were extended to March 10, 2006, according to the vote roll at my senator's site...

No Blood for Hubris said...

I had trouble last night, too. Wrote you an email about the other thing -- I can't imagine what caused that. My apologies.

Anonymous said...

Enigma and the PragmaticPussy Posse-
Yeah, it was a weird weekend in blogtopia but it seems all is well now- the storm is over, I hope?
Hang in there.

enigma4ever said...

Hey there to the Posse- it is 6pm...
and the Game has just started...and Stevie has Brought Real Music to the game...thank heavens...
I will be blogging tonight....
But for now I have to root for the Seahawks...
( and I dont think there is anyone else in a 50 mile radius
that is rooting for the hawks...

and Finally decent music this year....and Here's hoping that Mick does something...and I mean Something to Blow Our Minds....

enigma4ever said...

6;15 the teams have come in and are looking good...and Arron and Aretha are rocking the house..and then they had to go and show a picture of Condi- crap....how to ruin a good moment...

Yukkione said...

At my house we play similar quistion games at dinner. My kids are younger so the questions are of a more broad nature, but never the less, mostly stuff they dont talk about in school.

meldonna said...

e...I gotta say this.

There is life after 40 (XL). I'm still proud of our Hawks.

I turned the sound down on the television, put on Stone's Bigger Bang, and caught up with gossip with my friend...

Then I stuck in Animal House (which he hasn't seen unedited for about 20 years) and we giggled our way back to happy.

The forecast is for sunny weather for the next few days up here. I'll take it.

sign me Bloodied but Unbowed in Seattle

Anonymous said...

football...echhh!

i do not berate those who enjoy the sport for the physical skills displayed, but the war-themes that are integral to the playing of it turn my stomach...to crib from carlin once again...11 guys line up on a field, beat the snot out of the other team and take their land, using conventional weapons and even the bomb!

best to turn the sound down!

Anonymous said...

talk about war themes! Not just the game, but all the commercials were just a whole lot more violent. And I thought I might see a few "message T-Shirts" in evidence during the R. Stones audience pan shots, but couldn't spot even one & I was looking hard! D.K.

Anonymous said...

The Superbowl sucks. I read my book while everyone yelled and fluttered around. And baked. Everyone wants a snack with over-hyped television!

I don't think I fit in so well on earth.:)

I like meldonna's attitude. Although for me, its gets hard to distinguish reality from comedy.

enigma4ever said...

to the Enigma Cafe Posse- I am still reading the comments- I am in the Midst of Watching the NSA Illegal Surveillance Hearings- for many of you know I have a vested interest in this situation....Personal...and I will be posting tonight. ( The important thing is for Enigma to get through watching these hearings, I want to see if OUR Senators find their Balls and Stand up for the Consitution. In the meantime I need to hope that my head does not explode....)

meldonna said...

Aw, man, ouch! No dis to anybody, including Mr. Carlin, but I do love football -- enough so that I even joined a team at 37 (like that was bright! ouch again) when some folks in Austin were trying to get a womens' professional league going. To be perfectly frank, I wasn't a very good player -- 5'6" 280 lbs is a good start for a lineman; 37, however, is late to try to be an 'aflete' -- but gawd I never had so much fun in my life.

So I can appreciate if football isn't your cup of tea...just don't be hait-n, y'all.

peace!

enigma4ever said...

Lilly: You always fit on earth- especially if you bake...and READ....

Mel: I too am sad, but so proud that the Hawks made it to the Superbowl.

DK: Yup- not Tshirts??? No messeges...maybe that is something that we should all strive for....I had rude tshirts last summer- I think I will make more.